Alberto: I’m writing a long response to your earlier post, but let me first say this.
Next Issue #49
The SS IS UNCONCIOUS after the fall and the sucker punch
Next issue
Galactus tags SS with his eyebolts (REFLEXES?)
FF #55
Silver Surfer battles the Thing, Surfer has to AMP in order to match Things physical power.
He show a great deal of weakness vs physical attacks.
Did you know these are basically the first comics with SS in them? Did you know that in Superman’s first comics he COULD BARELY LIFE A CAR???? And he couldn’t fly. This seals the deal for me.
How retarded do you sound? Many superheroes get more powerful over time (Superman included).
Fantastic Four #48 came out in March 1966.
Silver Surfer #4 came out in 1969.
Should I start using 1969 Superman comics to show you some REALLY REALLY weak showings of Superman?
Yes I undesrtand this
Superheroes get more powerful over time
However MARVEL VERSE OR DC VERSE scales of power has pretty much stayed the same since the Stan Lee era to modern times
Thing is able to battle Hulk, Hulk is a ble to battle Thor, Thor is > Silver Surfer, Galcatus is > all of them
The same has happened in DC at the time Superman was created He was the mos powerful Hero of that time the scale of power keeps being the same in modern times
POST 2
“SCAN OF MR MXYPTLK”
This is talking about a MULTIVERSE. It says “Some version of them exists”. This could mean if SS killed a Superman that another would exist in another universe. Like the Superman that landed in the USSR in a parallel universe. This proves nothing. There are MANY MANY versions of the SS too. So I guess Superman can’t kill him either. This is a very unconvincing argument.
He says:
Look SUPERMAN and BATMAN are the LINCHPIN to everything.
No matter what TIME or UNIVERSE, SOME VERSION of you two exist! and when that BALANCE is UPSET or UPROOTED and you can call it a CATACLYSM or an APOCALYPSE or a CRISIS it upsets MY life in the 5th dimension and that ticks me off!
Silver Surfer traveling in time to prevent Superman to be born is an UPSETING OF THIS BALANCE in DC VERSE.
Besides the point that Traveling in time will not place in the #1 spot. Because Flash can do the same to prevent Monarch to be born and not because of that He is more powerful than Monarch
This “cosmic power” it was created by Galactus, the cosmic power mind as well not work in other universes the same way the speed force does not exist in Marvel.
this is just plain not true. SS has crossed into different universes, different dimensions, and different times…MANY MANY TIMES. WITH NO EFFECT on his powers. Again, it always seems like you’re trying to weaken the SS for his fight against Superman so that Superman can win. FINE WANT ME TO ADMIT IT: IF SILVER SURFER HAS NO POWER COSMIC HE LOSES. I don’t know what you’re trying to prove with this. It makes no sense
This will be now irrelevant as I said before lets say the Surfer powers work in the neutral Universe.
The fact that the “cosmic power” could or couldn’t exist in another universe is basically up to the writter. All I’m saying is that there is a better chance of this being true, because of the speed force not existing in Marvel. but for the sakes of the debate lest asume that SS will have his cosmic power in a neutral universe. Otherwise is not fun.
Stan Lee fuck up Silver Surfer is more powerful than Thor.
I would say he clearly is, based on feats. Yes, Thor has won the fights. Spiderman has twice defeated the Hulk. So is Spiderman more powerful than the Hulk? Are you saying that fights determine who is more powerful? Mohammed Ali has a winning record against Superman
Marvel hierarchy is pretty much well defined (not perfectly) by the creator Thor is > than SS.
It does not matter what is shown on the display the intention of the creator is > then the showing on the panel.
This is so true that SS gets defeted By Thor EVERY TIME they face off. It does not matter if is Stan Lee, Ron Marz or Jim Starlin writting the story SS is < Thor
This makes absolutely no sense. Tell me the difference between steal and drain? When Parasite “Steals” SUperman’s powers he is still weakened. Thats the same thing as DRAINED
Parasite STEALS THE LIFE FORCE out of his victims, He does not even need to concentrate to do this is a natural function of his body and then HE REPLICATES the habilities of the people arround.
Silver Surfer will have to drain Superman’s Yellow Solar storage. WHICH IS NOT HTE SAME AS PARASITE.
Parasite does not steals YELLOW SUN RADIATION out of Superman, is not the same.
As explained in the scan of Lex Luthor talking to Ruin, Superman will tend to store more yellow solar energy depending on the stress level He is at.
Surfers drainage would likelly do nothing to Superman, except make him to store more solar energy
This is nothing but speculation
Isn’t everything related to Sci-Fi nothing but speculation?
Silver Surfer could even turn the sun red and Superman will retain more yellow energy.
WTF? Honestly, you’re starting to get very irrational in your arguments. So everything that possible can happen only makes Superman stronger? I guess if SS turned the solar system into kryptonite it only only make Superman retain more solar radiation too? (and that Krptonite WOULDN’T be SYNTHETIC EITHER)
Let me rephrase that:
For all We know Silver Surfer could even turn the sun red and Superman will retain more yellow energy
THIS IS NOT A FACT BUT A SPECULATION, sorry if I made it sound like fact.
ONE second outside recharged him right away.
That’s the key WORD: OUTSIDE. He had to get outside of it for him to recharge. So your previous theory is debunked
What are they going to fight in a dark room?
Most likelly they will fight in space.
The surfer has one real source of power and seeing how much did He had to amp in order to match Thing’s brute force,
“SCAN OF STARLIGHT”
This is meaningless. Evil star is the same radiation that powers Superman. Silver Surfer isn’t. This argument makes no sense. 2 entirely different things
I think there is missunderstanding in here. I never say that SS will power up Superman.
No, on this case both will sabotage the time stream this is the SAME
Not true at all. They weren’t wiping Superman out of existence like the SS would. Again, these are TWO DIFFERENT SCENERIOS. You won’t let me use two different things to prove something, so I’m not letting you either. Either show me someone going back in time to kill Superman’s parents and failing, or concede that it could happen
Will wiping Superman out of existence not count as sabotage in the time stream?
Besides like I say before time travel alone will not put him at #1
I believe based on the explanation I gave you before about the SS source of power, Superman is more likely to retain his powers than SS
Of course you are, because you are 100% biased for Superman. So again….if Superman has to fight the Silver Surfer without the power cosmic to win, i’d say that’s pretty pathetic. You have to make an excuse that when they fight, the Silver SUrfer has no superpowers. That’s just lame. You’re basically admitted if Surfer had all his powers he’d win
I say is more likelly, I’m not saying is a fact.
BESIDES SEE RELATED RESPONSE
If Surfer can time travel, why he will not be able to travel before the Universe 616 was born?
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying he can’t go back in time and kill Odin because Odin can swat the SS like a bug, just like Odin could swat Superman like a bug (I REALLY REALLY hope you’d admit that)
I do not remember Odin to be Lord of Asgard since the begining of time, Yes Lord of Asgard Odin can bitch slap SS, before that, I don’t know.
Yes SS could travel in time when Thor was just a baby and since SS is so fast he could snatch THE baby out of his crib and kill him in a nanosecond.
Ahhhh time travel so many posibilities
post 3
And really, you’re gonna claim SS has no combat speed? I’m not even gonna debate that. You can look that up yourself. That’s like claiming SUperman has no super strength. Whatever you want to believe man.
I do NOT believe Superman is faster than SS in RAW SPEED, However Superman is fater at combat than the SS.
This is one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever seen.
Flash can punch 2000 times in a second, lets say that Superman is 10 % of Flash combat Speed (Which is a really low value considering that Superman has been able to keep up with the Flash when WW and GL have not and He has been able to catch Flashe’s punches) that means Superman can punch 200 times in a second, now lets even lower that value and say it is 1% of Flash, that is 20 punches in a second, from a guy who can split moons.
This is the worst math I’ve ever seen.
Yes I stay with that statement as shown in the video he has no combat speed
Also the math is ok
10% of 2000 is 200
1% of 2000 is 20
Post 4
Yes he is Stronger than Surfer, I guess Superman JUST will stay in the center while Surfer flies arround him trying not to get tag by Superman. While Superman with his many visions can analyze Surfers Source of power and Ionize the molecules arroud him to cut him off his power source
This makes no sense. Superman is gonna stay in the center of a black hole? Fine, then Surfer CLOSES THE BLACK WHILE HE’S IN IT. End of fight. You reallly make Superman into a GOD. Its a wonder ANYONE has EVER beat him
I do not know where did you get that Black hole thing.
I just said based on your argument that Superman could not tag SS, that while fighting, SS will try not to get tagged by Superman, DO YOU THINK superman is just going to stay there standing in the middle while SS flyes arround trying to not get tagged by Superman?
What is this DRAGON BALL Z?
Before this post I have a posts of Speed
but since they are more than one they are being moderated so just wait for them
Hey, I’m not going to have time to respond until tomorrow night…hopefully I won’t have to read through 1,000 different posts by then!
I will say for now that I think if SS fought Thor next week, that Thor would lose. Stan Lee’s influence over Marvel is waning big time. Alright, I’ll respond in more detail tomorrow night. Going for a hike right now.
(by the way, Zeromage: The picture of Thor you have here is really sweat. I have some better pictures of SS if you want me to send them to you let me know)
If you watch the video of Usain, the guy on line 2 has slightly better reaction time than Usain’s and way more reaction speed than the guy on line 3, however the guy on line has more raw speed than the guy on line 2. In the end the guy on line 3 finish before the guy on line 2
That is the difference between reaction time and raw speed. and none of them are tha same as combat speed
So Superman and SS they both could blitz, whith the only difference that SS will only hit once in each attack, Superman wont hit you only once and 20 punches in a second is twice of what a peak athlete can do
There is a video on you tube of a guy hitting 100 times in 10 seconds
100 punches in 10 seconds = 10 pre sec.
I’m sure Superman can combat faster than a peak atlete
Alberto: Bruce Lee was weird, he chose not to compete in tournaments because he was too good. And that wasnt narcissism, he challenged the winner(who was the best there was at the time), and he made him look like a little bitch.
Lee wasnt a professional runner, but he did everything in his power to make his body perfect in every way, which would include speed and running.
Im simply saying that this man could have ran faster, not that he would. Because he was Bruce Fucking Lee.
Knowing him hed run it in .01 seconds, run back, kick Bolt so hard he would fly to the finish line in .02 seconds
I dont even understand how this argument is still continuing, Everyone whom has read the comics, or has read the words of Stan Lee knows Thor>SS.
We have shown how Superman>Thor, by posting scan after scan, addressing every single point others have made, and yet they still ignore it.
Thor beats SS with brute force alone, Superman hits harder and is stronger than Thor. LOGIC! Superman would beat SS.
Thor has been able to withstand attacks from SS, Superman is more durable than Thor. LOGIC! Superman would beat SS.
Superman has so many ways to combat SS that its ridiculous. Hes beaten Superboy Prime and Imperiex Prime, both beings whom are stronger than SS.
But you say “Oh Silver Surfer could create Kryptonite or red sun energy and use it against Superman….
Superman has flown through a RED SUN SURROUNDED BY KRYPTONITE! Do you honestly think that some RSE and K from SS would do anything against him? Let alone SS would have no idea about Superman’s weaknesses seeing as hes from a different universe.
And to top it all off SS could create K but as shown with SBP it WOULDNT WORK, as K from another universe does not effect him.
Then they say “Oh Silver Surfer would go back in time and kill his parents”
Really? Why hasnt he done this to anyone else? Like Thor? BRB? Or anyone whom faced him/Galactus?
Its BS. SS wouldnt do that, he never has, hes not a murderer, hes not going to erase Superman from existence. And this is to say Superman would actually LET SS go back in time.
Superman has shown he can cut people off from power sources, he could stop their powers from working. He could make it so Surfer CANT go back in time. So this would never happen.
People try the same argument with Flash, and it doesnt work.
But then…
“Sivler Surfer would turn Superman into a bunny hur dur”
Really? Then why hasnt he done so to Thor? Someone whom is weaker than Superman?
Superman has resisted mystical transmutations from Hell Lords in their own realms. Now you apparently cant understand this. These beings are basically God in their own realms, their magick and their will is absolute. Yet Superman RESISTED IT.
Silver Surfer is no God, his transmutations are not on the level of those of the ones Superman has resisted. Superman would resist them.
Once again even without debating the points, Superman has been shown on here, using scans, and comparing and contrasting with Thors greatest feats, to be above that of Thor. And no matter what you say, no matter how how argue, and no matter what you want. Thor>SS, this has been said by Stan Lee, and this is cannon. Silver Surfer even admitted this when he had been amped up to the highest he had ever been.
When all of this has been shown to the other side, its not enough for some reason. They would rather name call and completely ignore what has been shown than accept reality.
But I know Bob or someone else will attempt to pick this apart. Call me an idiot or some other childish name, and say Im wrong. But whatever, not like I care. Because I know Im right.
Ive read Silver Surfer, Thor, Superman, and JLA, just to name a few. I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. But keep bringing it, without knowing shit about the other side of the argument, keep building straw men just to knock them down.
Youre doing nothing more than making yourselves look more and more ignorant and wrong.
Thor beats SS with brute force alone, Superman hits harder and is stronger than Thor. LOGIC! Superman would beat SS.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve EVER read. That WOULD MAKE SENSE if Thor was nothing but a Superman clone. (Which he’s not, in case you don’t understand that you half wit). Want to know some differences between Superman and Thor that make Thor a better match for SS?
1) Thor’s powers aren’t from solar radiation. Superman’s are. Superman’s powers can be drained. (And they HAVE BEEN DRAINED, by people a LOT less powerful than the SS)
2) Thor isn’t weak to Red Sunlight
3) Thor isn’t weak to Kryptonite
4) Thor has ENERGY MANIPULATION
5) Thor has mystical powers
6) SS said “His ODIN FORCE is more powerful than the power cosmic.” (Superman doesn’t have Odin force in case you don’t know that) Thor’s VERY PUNCHES ARE MAGICAL. Don’t believe me, go read some Thor comics. This is stated ON PANEL. Thor’s punches are not simple brute force as people who don’t know about Thor would think.
7) Thor’s lightning isn’t normal lighting either. its mystical. In fact see Mighty Avengers 34 from 2010 so see that Quicksilver says he has outrun lightning bolts with ease his whole life, and Thor smacks him with one ANYWAY. His lightning is not normal. His punches aren’t normal. Have you ACTUALLY SEEN or READ a SS vs Thor comic, asshole? Here’s a summary of SS #4:
To prevent more damage Thor Throws Mjolnir at the surfer and hits his board carrying the surfer out of the hall through the roof. The surfer replies by hurling cosmic bolts at Thor but all these are deflected by Mjolnir.
Does it seem like it was a slugfest to you? NO. Thor beats him with more than just punches. He absorbs cosmic power with his MAGICAL FUCKING HAMMER.
IN SHORT: Try to read some comics before debating about them. Furyof5: You’re a FUCKING MORON.
Good job dodging Alberto. You make such a big deal of Superman going 99999999 trillion billion zillion times the speed of light, but you can produce a single combat speed feat to prove it. Nice.
Man…this even puts the Thor vs Superman debate into a new light. If you can’t prove how fast Superman’s COMBAT is….And I mean PROVE it with a fact….a SOLID NUMBER….Thor has even more of an advantage over Superman than I ever thought. Its actually looking more like Thor wins 8 or 9 out of 10 against Superman rather than the 6 I used to think.
DAMN…EM…I never thought about this myself. Superman’s BEST SPEED FEATS are all TRAVEL speed feats. I want a scan showing that Superman can punch 2000 times a second like Alberto claims. That guy is SO FULL OF SHIT.
He just makes up numbers.
I have to agree. Superman with no definitive proofs of combat speed is like a 9/10 loser against Thor. Maybe 10/10.
And I don’t want to see a scan of Superman being all blurry while he punches. I’ve seen scans of Quicksilver doing that. And even Spiderman for that matter.
Superman’s COMBAT SPEED is AT LEAST LIGHT SPEED (or damn close to it).
I know that for a fact.
But I will admit, his combat speed is not 2,000 punches a second either.
Its somewhere in between there.
Also, yeah, I have to agree with the SS side that the SS has ridiculous combat speed. He is clearly faster than Superman by travel AND combat speed. That doesn’t mean jack shit. Flash is WAAAAY faster than Superman. And there are people in DC and Marvel faster than that even.
But tell me this: Who cares? Flash is not beating Superman even though he is faster. Why? Flash isn’t as durable.
And SS is closer to Flash in speed than to Superman.
But, for the reasons Alberto stated, Superman would win at LEAST 6.5/10. Surfer isn’t very durable.
BTW: Thor can swing his hammer 3x light speed? Since when? Can I see a scan of that? That would definitely change things for me. I’d really be curious to see a scan.
Thor could throw the hammer at the speed of light. See Thor#140, Thor#274.
Thor can SWING the hammer at TWICE the speed of light- Journey Into Mystery#102.
So I’ll admit I was wrong…its twice light speed. (although I thought I saw somewhere he swung the hammer 3x…could be another issue out there….I’ll check it out)
Alberto…How many different types of speeds are there? What a fucking moron.
The reason combat speed and travel speed are seperate in comic book debates is because some heroes…go into hyperspace to travel. SO obviously they can’t attack while in hyperspace. So that speed is meaningless in COMBAT.
POST 1
Alberto: I’m writing a long response to your earlier post, but let me first say this.
Next Issue #49
The SS IS UNCONCIOUS after the fall and the sucker punch
Next issue
Galactus tags SS with his eyebolts (REFLEXES?)
FF #55
Silver Surfer battles the Thing, Surfer has to AMP in order to match Things physical power.
He show a great deal of weakness vs physical attacks.
Did you know these are basically the first comics with SS in them? Did you know that in Superman’s first comics he COULD BARELY LIFE A CAR???? And he couldn’t fly. This seals the deal for me.
How retarded do you sound? Many superheroes get more powerful over time (Superman included).
Fantastic Four #48 came out in March 1966.
Silver Surfer #4 came out in 1969.
Should I start using 1969 Superman comics to show you some REALLY REALLY weak showings of Superman?
Yes I undesrtand this
Superheroes get more powerful over time
However MARVEL VERSE OR DC VERSE scales of power has pretty much stayed the same since the Stan Lee era to modern times
Thing is able to battle Hulk, Hulk is a ble to battle Thor, Thor is > Silver Surfer, Galcatus is > all of them
The same has happened in DC at the time Superman was created He was the mos powerful Hero of that time the scale of power keeps being the same in modern times
POST 2
“SCAN OF MR MXYPTLK”
This is talking about a MULTIVERSE. It says “Some version of them exists”. This could mean if SS killed a Superman that another would exist in another universe. Like the Superman that landed in the USSR in a parallel universe. This proves nothing. There are MANY MANY versions of the SS too. So I guess Superman can’t kill him either. This is a very unconvincing argument.
He says:
Look SUPERMAN and BATMAN are the LINCHPIN to everything.
No matter what TIME or UNIVERSE, SOME VERSION of you two exist! and when that BALANCE is UPSET or UPROOTED and you can call it a CATACLYSM or an APOCALYPSE or a CRISIS it upsets MY life in the 5th dimension and that ticks me off!
Silver Surfer traveling in time to prevent Superman to be born is an UPSETING OF THIS BALANCE in DC VERSE.
Besides the point that Traveling in time will not place in the #1 spot. Because Flash can do the same to prevent Monarch to be born and not because of that He is more powerful than Monarch
This “cosmic power” it was created by Galactus, the cosmic power mind as well not work in other universes the same way the speed force does not exist in Marvel.
this is just plain not true. SS has crossed into different universes, different dimensions, and different times…MANY MANY TIMES. WITH NO EFFECT on his powers. Again, it always seems like you’re trying to weaken the SS for his fight against Superman so that Superman can win. FINE WANT ME TO ADMIT IT: IF SILVER SURFER HAS NO POWER COSMIC HE LOSES. I don’t know what you’re trying to prove with this. It makes no sense
This will be now irrelevant as I said before lets say the Surfer powers work in the neutral Universe.
The fact that the “cosmic power” could or couldn’t exist in another universe is basically up to the writter. All I’m saying is that there is a better chance of this being true, because of the speed force not existing in Marvel. but for the sakes of the debate lest asume that SS will have his cosmic power in a neutral universe. Otherwise is not fun.
Stan Lee fuck up Silver Surfer is more powerful than Thor.
I would say he clearly is, based on feats. Yes, Thor has won the fights. Spiderman has twice defeated the Hulk. So is Spiderman more powerful than the Hulk? Are you saying that fights determine who is more powerful? Mohammed Ali has a winning record against Superman
Marvel hierarchy is pretty much well defined (not perfectly) by the creator Thor is > than SS.
It does not matter what is shown on the display the intention of the creator is > then the showing on the panel.
This is so true that SS gets defeted By Thor EVERY TIME they face off. It does not matter if is Stan Lee, Ron Marz or Jim Starlin writting the story SS is < Thor
Parasite STEALS Superman’s powers
Silver Surfer DRAINS Hulk’s gamma radiation
This makes absolutely no sense. Tell me the difference between steal and drain? When Parasite “Steals” SUperman’s powers he is still weakened. Thats the same thing as DRAINED
Parasite STEALS THE LIFE FORCE out of his victims, He does not even need to concentrate to do this is a natural function of his body and then HE REPLICATES the habilities of the people arround.
Silver Surfer will have to drain Superman’s Yellow Solar storage. WHICH IS NOT HTE SAME AS PARASITE.
Parasite does not steals YELLOW SUN RADIATION out of Superman, is not the same.
As explained in the scan of Lex Luthor talking to Ruin, Superman will tend to store more yellow solar energy depending on the stress level He is at.
Surfers drainage would likelly do nothing to Superman, except make him to store more solar energy
This is nothing but speculation
Isn’t everything related to Sci-Fi nothing but speculation?
Silver Surfer could even turn the sun red and Superman will retain more yellow energy.
WTF? Honestly, you’re starting to get very irrational in your arguments. So everything that possible can happen only makes Superman stronger? I guess if SS turned the solar system into kryptonite it only only make Superman retain more solar radiation too? (and that Krptonite WOULDN’T be SYNTHETIC EITHER)
Let me rephrase that:
For all We know Silver Surfer could even turn the sun red and Superman will retain more yellow energy
THIS IS NOT A FACT BUT A SPECULATION, sorry if I made it sound like fact.
ONE second outside recharged him right away.
That’s the key WORD: OUTSIDE. He had to get outside of it for him to recharge. So your previous theory is debunked
What are they going to fight in a dark room?
Most likelly they will fight in space.
The surfer has one real source of power and seeing how much did He had to amp in order to match Thing’s brute force,
“SCAN OF STARLIGHT”
This is meaningless. Evil star is the same radiation that powers Superman. Silver Surfer isn’t. This argument makes no sense. 2 entirely different things
I think there is missunderstanding in here. I never say that SS will power up Superman.
No, on this case both will sabotage the time stream this is the SAME
Not true at all. They weren’t wiping Superman out of existence like the SS would. Again, these are TWO DIFFERENT SCENERIOS. You won’t let me use two different things to prove something, so I’m not letting you either. Either show me someone going back in time to kill Superman’s parents and failing, or concede that it could happen
Will wiping Superman out of existence not count as sabotage in the time stream?
Besides like I say before time travel alone will not put him at #1
I believe based on the explanation I gave you before about the SS source of power, Superman is more likely to retain his powers than SS
Of course you are, because you are 100% biased for Superman. So again….if Superman has to fight the Silver Surfer without the power cosmic to win, i’d say that’s pretty pathetic. You have to make an excuse that when they fight, the Silver SUrfer has no superpowers. That’s just lame. You’re basically admitted if Surfer had all his powers he’d win
I say is more likelly, I’m not saying is a fact.
BESIDES SEE RELATED RESPONSE
If Surfer can time travel, why he will not be able to travel before the Universe 616 was born?
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying he can’t go back in time and kill Odin because Odin can swat the SS like a bug, just like Odin could swat Superman like a bug (I REALLY REALLY hope you’d admit that)
I do not remember Odin to be Lord of Asgard since the begining of time, Yes Lord of Asgard Odin can bitch slap SS, before that, I don’t know.
Yes SS could travel in time when Thor was just a baby and since SS is so fast he could snatch THE baby out of his crib and kill him in a nanosecond.
Ahhhh time travel so many posibilities
post 3
And really, you’re gonna claim SS has no combat speed? I’m not even gonna debate that. You can look that up yourself. That’s like claiming SUperman has no super strength. Whatever you want to believe man.
I do NOT believe Superman is faster than SS in RAW SPEED, However Superman is fater at combat than the SS.
This is one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever seen.
Flash can punch 2000 times in a second, lets say that Superman is 10 % of Flash combat Speed (Which is a really low value considering that Superman has been able to keep up with the Flash when WW and GL have not and He has been able to catch Flashe’s punches) that means Superman can punch 200 times in a second, now lets even lower that value and say it is 1% of Flash, that is 20 punches in a second, from a guy who can split moons.
This is the worst math I’ve ever seen.
Yes I stay with that statement as shown in the video he has no combat speed
Also the math is ok
10% of 2000 is 200
1% of 2000 is 20
Post 4
Yes he is Stronger than Surfer, I guess Superman JUST will stay in the center while Surfer flies arround him trying not to get tag by Superman. While Superman with his many visions can analyze Surfers Source of power and Ionize the molecules arroud him to cut him off his power source
This makes no sense. Superman is gonna stay in the center of a black hole? Fine, then Surfer CLOSES THE BLACK WHILE HE’S IN IT. End of fight. You reallly make Superman into a GOD. Its a wonder ANYONE has EVER beat him
I do not know where did you get that Black hole thing.
I just said based on your argument that Superman could not tag SS, that while fighting, SS will try not to get tagged by Superman, DO YOU THINK superman is just going to stay there standing in the middle while SS flyes arround trying to not get tagged by Superman?
What is this DRAGON BALL Z?
Before this post I have a posts of Speed
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Tony when you make a post try not to put more than 1 exclamation or quastion marks because they get moderated because of spam.
My previous post had those and now is being moderated
Alberto: I know that you keep making your case on this. But do we really know how fast Bruce Lee could run? How do we know he wasnt faster than Bolt?
Well yous wait and see the videos
Combat speed is NOTHING like it
Lawrence Taylor with his great reflexes could not do that
Usain Bolt with his incredible speed could not do the same
Those things are not combat speed.
And I’m sure that Bruce Lee being the celebrity He was He would have competed in the olympics in the 100 mtr dash for China.
But he did not stand a chance even back then.
He probably cloked between 13 to 16 seconds in the 100 mtr dash. Who knows
One thing is for sure, He was not 100 mtr dash material
Hey, I’m not going to have time to respond until tomorrow night…hopefully I won’t have to read through 1,000 different posts by then!
I will say for now that I think if SS fought Thor next week, that Thor would lose. Stan Lee’s influence over Marvel is waning big time. Alright, I’ll respond in more detail tomorrow night. Going for a hike right now.
(by the way, Zeromage: The picture of Thor you have here is really sweat. I have some better pictures of SS if you want me to send them to you let me know)
If you watch the video of Usain, the guy on line 2 has slightly better reaction time than Usain’s and way more reaction speed than the guy on line 3, however the guy on line has more raw speed than the guy on line 2. In the end the guy on line 3 finish before the guy on line 2
That is the difference between reaction time and raw speed. and none of them are tha same as combat speed
So Superman and SS they both could blitz, whith the only difference that SS will only hit once in each attack, Superman wont hit you only once and 20 punches in a second is twice of what a peak athlete can do
There is a video on you tube of a guy hitting 100 times in 10 seconds
100 punches in 10 seconds = 10 pre sec.
I’m sure Superman can combat faster than a peak atlete
Flash or WW have more combat speed than Superman
NOW I ASK DOES THE SS HAS COMBAT SPEED?
@Bob
Hey Bob
Is reaction time = to speed = to combat speed?
Alberto: Bruce Lee was weird, he chose not to compete in tournaments because he was too good. And that wasnt narcissism, he challenged the winner(who was the best there was at the time), and he made him look like a little bitch.
Lee wasnt a professional runner, but he did everything in his power to make his body perfect in every way, which would include speed and running.
Im simply saying that this man could have ran faster, not that he would. Because he was Bruce Fucking Lee.
Knowing him hed run it in .01 seconds, run back, kick Bolt so hard he would fly to the finish line in .02 seconds
I dont even understand how this argument is still continuing, Everyone whom has read the comics, or has read the words of Stan Lee knows Thor>SS.
We have shown how Superman>Thor, by posting scan after scan, addressing every single point others have made, and yet they still ignore it.
Thor beats SS with brute force alone, Superman hits harder and is stronger than Thor. LOGIC! Superman would beat SS.
Thor has been able to withstand attacks from SS, Superman is more durable than Thor. LOGIC! Superman would beat SS.
Superman has so many ways to combat SS that its ridiculous. Hes beaten Superboy Prime and Imperiex Prime, both beings whom are stronger than SS.
But you say “Oh Silver Surfer could create Kryptonite or red sun energy and use it against Superman….
Superman has flown through a RED SUN SURROUNDED BY KRYPTONITE! Do you honestly think that some RSE and K from SS would do anything against him? Let alone SS would have no idea about Superman’s weaknesses seeing as hes from a different universe.
And to top it all off SS could create K but as shown with SBP it WOULDNT WORK, as K from another universe does not effect him.
Then they say “Oh Silver Surfer would go back in time and kill his parents”
Really? Why hasnt he done this to anyone else? Like Thor? BRB? Or anyone whom faced him/Galactus?
Its BS. SS wouldnt do that, he never has, hes not a murderer, hes not going to erase Superman from existence. And this is to say Superman would actually LET SS go back in time.
Superman has shown he can cut people off from power sources, he could stop their powers from working. He could make it so Surfer CANT go back in time. So this would never happen.
People try the same argument with Flash, and it doesnt work.
But then…
“Sivler Surfer would turn Superman into a bunny hur dur”
Really? Then why hasnt he done so to Thor? Someone whom is weaker than Superman?
Superman has resisted mystical transmutations from Hell Lords in their own realms. Now you apparently cant understand this. These beings are basically God in their own realms, their magick and their will is absolute. Yet Superman RESISTED IT.
Silver Surfer is no God, his transmutations are not on the level of those of the ones Superman has resisted. Superman would resist them.
Once again even without debating the points, Superman has been shown on here, using scans, and comparing and contrasting with Thors greatest feats, to be above that of Thor. And no matter what you say, no matter how how argue, and no matter what you want. Thor>SS, this has been said by Stan Lee, and this is cannon. Silver Surfer even admitted this when he had been amped up to the highest he had ever been.
When all of this has been shown to the other side, its not enough for some reason. They would rather name call and completely ignore what has been shown than accept reality.
But I know Bob or someone else will attempt to pick this apart. Call me an idiot or some other childish name, and say Im wrong. But whatever, not like I care. Because I know Im right.
Ive read Silver Surfer, Thor, Superman, and JLA, just to name a few. I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. But keep bringing it, without knowing shit about the other side of the argument, keep building straw men just to knock them down.
Youre doing nothing more than making yourselves look more and more ignorant and wrong.
Thor beats SS with brute force alone, Superman hits harder and is stronger than Thor. LOGIC! Superman would beat SS.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve EVER read. That WOULD MAKE SENSE if Thor was nothing but a Superman clone. (Which he’s not, in case you don’t understand that you half wit). Want to know some differences between Superman and Thor that make Thor a better match for SS?
1) Thor’s powers aren’t from solar radiation. Superman’s are. Superman’s powers can be drained. (And they HAVE BEEN DRAINED, by people a LOT less powerful than the SS)
2) Thor isn’t weak to Red Sunlight
3) Thor isn’t weak to Kryptonite
4) Thor has ENERGY MANIPULATION
5) Thor has mystical powers
6) SS said “His ODIN FORCE is more powerful than the power cosmic.” (Superman doesn’t have Odin force in case you don’t know that) Thor’s VERY PUNCHES ARE MAGICAL. Don’t believe me, go read some Thor comics. This is stated ON PANEL. Thor’s punches are not simple brute force as people who don’t know about Thor would think.
7) Thor’s lightning isn’t normal lighting either. its mystical. In fact see Mighty Avengers 34 from 2010 so see that Quicksilver says he has outrun lightning bolts with ease his whole life, and Thor smacks him with one ANYWAY. His lightning is not normal. His punches aren’t normal.
Have you ACTUALLY SEEN or READ a SS vs Thor comic, asshole? Here’s a summary of SS #4:
To prevent more damage Thor Throws Mjolnir at the surfer and hits his board carrying the surfer out of the hall through the roof. The surfer replies by hurling cosmic bolts at Thor but all these are deflected by Mjolnir.
Does it seem like it was a slugfest to you? NO. Thor beats him with more than just punches. He absorbs cosmic power with his MAGICAL FUCKING HAMMER.
IN SHORT: Try to read some comics before debating about them. Furyof5: You’re a FUCKING MORON.
Alberto: SIMPLE QUESTION. TRY NOT TO DODGE IT.
You say SS has no combat speed feats. What is Superman’s FASTEST COMBAT SPEED FEAT?
@Emerald Magus
How you EVEN DARE to tell me not to dodge any of your questions?
When clearly yesterday you Ignored ONCE MORE mine?
I even wonder If I should even answer to you, when you never respond mine.
You have not even the right to say that.
YOU ARE NOT PRESIDENT STEVE OR BERSERKR OR A RESPECTABLE DEBATER
You ALWAYS DODGE MY QUESTIONS, everybody has SEEN that quite a lot from you and BOB
What gives you the right? to EVEN CAPITALIZE IT?
WHEN IS CLEARLY YOU THE ONE WHO DOES THAT?
Anyone who has actually read the scans will know what is Superman combat speed
ANSWER ME THIS
Should I respond to any of your questions when you clearly ALWAYS dodge mine?
Give me a good reason of why should I answer your questions and I will tell you Superman’s fastest combat speed feat
Tony : You still haven’t answered my question.
Who’s more powerfull : Galactus or Anti-Monitor
and Monarch or Silver Surfer.
Emerald : Fury is better then you at debating. You could learn a few stuff from him.
Tony : Who’s more powerfull : Imperiex Prime or Silver Surfer?
QUESTION
IF BATMAN DEFEATS ANYONE IN DC EXPLOITING HIS WEAKNESS, DOES THAT MAKES BATMAN THE MOST POWERFUL SUPERHERO?
STRAIGHT ANSWER YES OR NO AND IF YES EXPLAIN WHY
Good job dodging Alberto. You make such a big deal of Superman going 99999999 trillion billion zillion times the speed of light, but you can produce a single combat speed feat to prove it. Nice.
Also funny that the GREEN LANTERN OUTRACED SUPERMAN ONCE.
And ShadowHunter…no one will answer your questions because your the biggest question dodger on this entire site.
Fuck off Magus
Whoever has not seen Superman doing this DOES NOT NOTHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f20XTBvJ-uY
“DOES NOT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER”
HOLY SHIT
That guy really scares me
He did all the initial punching in less than a second!
I’ve seen Quicksilver do the same thing. Prove how fast Superman is punching.
AND QUICKSILVER HAS COMBAT SPEED
MMM let me see brainiac
Flash can punch 2000 times in a second (this is a fact)
A peak athlete can punch 10 times in a second (Most likelly Batman)
Superman is somewhere between there
What value you want to give to Superman?
You cannot give him 0.5 percent of Flash combat speed because that will be 10 punches in a second and EVERYBODY knows Superman is above peak athelte
You give him the value
1% of Flash combat speed? 20 punches
10% ? 200 punches
50% ? 1000 punches
YOU SET THE VALUE, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN EVEN SET THE VALUE OF PEAK HUMAN I DON’T CARE
A SINGLE FULL POWER PUNCH FROM SUPERMAN IS ENOUGH TO END MOST FIGHTS
So you give the value to it and that is your answer.
Superman is somewhere between there
IN TRAVEL SPEED. NO ONE HAS EVER SAID SUPERMAN’S COMBAT SPEED IS CLOSE TO THE FLASH…
MORON
I want a scan showing Superman’s combat speed is close to Flash’s. Go ahead…I dare you.
Man…this even puts the Thor vs Superman debate into a new light. If you can’t prove how fast Superman’s COMBAT is….And I mean PROVE it with a fact….a SOLID NUMBER….Thor has even more of an advantage over Superman than I ever thought. Its actually looking more like Thor wins 8 or 9 out of 10 against Superman rather than the 6 I used to think.
DAMN…EM…I never thought about this myself. Superman’s BEST SPEED FEATS are all TRAVEL speed feats. I want a scan showing that Superman can punch 2000 times a second like Alberto claims. That guy is SO FULL OF SHIT.
He just makes up numbers.
I have to agree. Superman with no definitive proofs of combat speed is like a 9/10 loser against Thor. Maybe 10/10.
And I don’t want to see a scan of Superman being all blurry while he punches. I’ve seen scans of Quicksilver doing that. And even Spiderman for that matter.
New standings against Superman:
Thor 9.8/10
SS 10/10
Oh and if Thor can swing his hammer 3 times the speed of light…I guess his COMBAT SPEED is WAAAAAAY beyond Superman’s. LOL. This debate is OVER.
I want a definitive scan like the Thor one. Thor has a DEFINITIVE SCAN WITH A DEFINITIVE NUMBER.
3 TIMES LIGHT SPEED.
Let’s see a Superman combat speed scan like that.
You want a number idiot?
A safe number will be at least peak human you MORON
I gave you the answer, but you are TOO stupid your little brain does not get it.
Seriously dude what is your IQ?
Do you suffer from mental retardation?
You are an Idiot Magus
It is safe to asume that Superman can at least punch 10 times in second you MORON.
You want the scans? GO AND LOOK FOR THEM, I’m tired of your bullshit.
I’m tired of schooling you both
Show me a scan of Thor’s COMBAT SPEED?
Show me a scan of THOR PUNCHING SOMETHING REALLY FAST
I have at least 4 showings of Superman doing this
AND PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY READ THE SCANS IN THE PAST KNOW ABOUT THIS.
Superman’s COMBAT SPEED is AT LEAST LIGHT SPEED (or damn close to it).
I know that for a fact.
But I will admit, his combat speed is not 2,000 punches a second either.
Its somewhere in between there.
Also, yeah, I have to agree with the SS side that the SS has ridiculous combat speed. He is clearly faster than Superman by travel AND combat speed. That doesn’t mean jack shit. Flash is WAAAAY faster than Superman. And there are people in DC and Marvel faster than that even.
But tell me this: Who cares? Flash is not beating Superman even though he is faster. Why? Flash isn’t as durable.
And SS is closer to Flash in speed than to Superman.
But, for the reasons Alberto stated, Superman would win at LEAST 6.5/10. Surfer isn’t very durable.
BTW: Thor can swing his hammer 3x light speed? Since when? Can I see a scan of that? That would definitely change things for me. I’d really be curious to see a scan.
Alberto …can you confirm thor can swing his hammer 3 times light speed? I’d like to hear from someone reliable about this.
AND BOB
3 times FTL IS RAW SPEED YOU FUCKING MORON
3 TIMES FTL SHOWS THOR BLURY LIKE MAGUS SAYS HE DOES NOT WANT SEE SUPERMAN
I HAVE ACTUAL SCANS OF SUPERMAN DOING THAT
GO AND LOOK FOR MY PREVIOUS POST SUPERMAN VS ULTRAMAN, SUPER WOMAN AND OWLMAN THERE IS CLEAR RIGHT THERE OF SUPERMAN DOING THAT.
There is not showings of Thor or SS doing the same AT LEAST NOT THAT I KNOW OF
I’ve seen scans of Spiderman blurry while punching. I guess he’s going FTL too?
Thor has STATED he can swing his hammer 3 times Light Speed. And he’s shown doing it. How much more clear can it be?
OH I GUESS SWING A WARHAMMER AT 3x LIGHT SPEED ISN’T COMBAT SPEED THOUGH? Why would you swing a hammer in COMBAT?
Here’s the reason its not a combat speed feat for Alberto…
BEcause its Thor and not Superman.
Only Superman feats count.
Now Alberto has RAW speed? Hahahhahahahah
So we have reaction speed, combat speed, travel speed, raw speed….
WTF?
Its a fucking comic book, not a physics thesis paper you troll.
FINALLY SOMEONE RESPECTABLE SHOWS
YES there is a scan of Thor 3 times FTL, HE CAN FLY AT THAT SPEED.
This however is not COMBAT SPEED.
Magus and Bob are just plain stupid
Even I have to say…IF its true…and I want to see the scan before I believe it…swinging a hammer IS COMBAT speed.
It would mean he can hit someone with his hammer at 3x light speed. Pretty clear.
I want to see the circumstances of this happening.
And why doesn’t he do this all the time? How many times has he done it?
Baron:
Thor could throw the hammer at the speed of light. See Thor#140, Thor#274.
Thor can SWING the hammer at TWICE the speed of light- Journey Into Mystery#102.
So I’ll admit I was wrong…its twice light speed. (although I thought I saw somewhere he swung the hammer 3x…could be another issue out there….I’ll check it out)
But at least Baron’s not biased.
ALberto will throw out ANY feat from ANY hero but his precious Superman. At least Baron is willing to admit Swinging a hammer is combat.
@BOB
You really sound like your fucking cousin Rick
HE SAYS THE SAME STUPID SHIT AS YOU
I ASK YOU FUCKING IDIOT
IS RAW SPEED = COMBAT SPEED = REACTION TIME?
ANSWER!
Alberto…How many different types of speeds are there? What a fucking moron.
The reason combat speed and travel speed are seperate in comic book debates is because some heroes…go into hyperspace to travel. SO obviously they can’t attack while in hyperspace. So that speed is meaningless in COMBAT.
Thor can travel across the universe instanteously. That’s infinite TRAVEL SPEED. He doesn’t have INFINITE COMBAT SPEED.
HAHAHAHA WHAT A FUCKING MORON
This is to further proof that BOB DEBATES ON COMICS HE DOES NOT OWN
Journey into the mystery
THOR IS ABLE TO SWING HIS HAMMER TWICE THE SPEED OF LIGHT IN ORDER TO TIME TRAVEL
THOR CAN’T TIME TRAVEL ANYMORE YOU IDIOT HE CAN’T DO THAT ANYMORE.
and He is spining, not punching
@Bob
Keep dodging the question you little bitch
@Baron
Swinginw the hammer is combat speed I agree to that
My bad…I’ll admit my mistake. But then its a different issue he swings his hammer 3x light speed.
I THINK it was when he had to build a trench or something. I’ll look it up.