Fury of 5-My jokes are funny to me.And since where getting of subject hypocrite opps I mean fury of 5, i guess the anti monitor and his bananas of rage got you plenty of laughs right.try agian
Fury… Maybe YOU should read more comics. The Thing vs Silver Surfer fight has been retconned. (maybe you don’t know what that means). Also, when Thor beats the surfer, oftentimes he uses his hammer to block cosmic energy blasts. Its not just a physical fight. Maybe you should figure out what you’re talking about. Also, Thor has drained energy from numerous opponents before. He once sucked someone’s energy out of them and used it to re-ignite a star. Also, interviews with writers are not canon. They have no bearing on comic books debates on any other sites than this one apparently. Hulk was owned by a satelitte. Bottom line. That’s what’s in the comic.
Superman’s eye beams once restarted the big bang, and tore a hole in the universe another time. They can be hotter than the core of the sun. So no…its not a bad example, and we DONT KNOW Hulk can survive it, as I’ve seen him KO’ed by a single nuke.
FURY OF 5-I guess name calling is aloud only when you do it right and I think marvel knows more than you do after all they wrote the comic book.You think that just becuse you can explain hulk’s feats scientifcaly that makes your arguments better than mine,good luck trying its fiction any thing goes there’s nothing logical about a hulk comic book.Your starting to act like a little girl getting all mad becuse I ask a question lol.The funny thing is shadowhunter never said he was offended he is not as sensitive as you are,why is it every time I say somthing to him you respond if he does’nt get offended then you should not either.Man your the biggest hypocrite on hear getting all emotional about a comic book debate.Relax these are just jokes.
Shadow hunter do you agree that thors should be number one.And furyof5 I never claimed to be an expert any way what comic ever stated that hulk’s speed gets better with his rage I never heard that and i dont think thats true.
“The Thing vs Silver Surfer fight has been retconned. (maybe you don’t know what that means).”
Lots of things have been retconed, doesnt mean they didnt happen. Ever heard of Crisis On Infinite Earths? Evereything before it still happened, we simply refer to it as pre crisis.
Also a lot of retcons are idiotic. Like how Reed Richards took care of Sue as a child and then they fell in love… uh…hmm…
“Also, when Thor beats the surfer, oftentimes he uses his hammer to block cosmic energy blasts. Its not just a physical fight. Maybe you should figure out what you’re talking about.”
I know what Im talking about, Thor beats SS using brute force, he could beat him in other ways too. As SS said before when he was over powered by Loki that his abilities do not match those of Thor. And Stan Lee who created and wrote these two say SS is number 2 behind Thor, thus SS isnt equal to him.
“Also, Thor has drained energy from numerous opponents before. He once sucked someone’s energy out of them and used it to re-ignite a star.”
Thor has done much better thins than this two, once he absorbed a null bomb’s energies with mjornir which was capable of destroying a galaxy. I have nothing bad to say about Thor, he is awesome and one of my favorite characters
“Also, interviews with writers are not canon.”
No theey are not, but seeing as the writers decide what is cannon and what is not, control retcons, and are responsible for the fates of our favorite heros than what they say are very important. Some people fail to understand this. Its like saying if god said “what really happened was etc” to put it in perspective then you said “Doesnt say that here in the history book” or “I didnt get that from what it said”. It is an important thing to use in debates. For example if Stan Lee says “Hulk would be utterly annihilated by Martian Manhunter” I would most certainly agree, as he is the ultimate authority on Hulk, being he is the creator and a main writer.
“They have no bearing on comic books debates on any other sites than this one apparently.”
Who cares what people here or anywhere else think? Its not important. they arent writers, they arent important in the main comic continuum. Im not important in it either. They can not say what you can and can not use, they can simply give reasons they feel as to why.
“Hulk was owned by a satelitte. Bottom line. That’s what’s in the comic.”
Wrong. Read the comic. Hulk allows it to happen. Greg Pack specifically quotes when Hulk says to do it and sets up the entire thing.
Read it again, theres a reason it redoes the whole “hero or destroyer” dialog, why Hulk says to do it. Why Hulk could have easily had time to make his move but allowed Stark to unleash it. He held back and didnt want to do it. He hated himself just as much as the Illuminati and wanted to be put out of his misery.
“FURY OF 5-I guess name calling is aloud only when you do it right and I think marvel knows more than you do after all they wrote the comic book.”
Which name calling are you referring to? I said if you are going to do it at least do it well. Besides if you call somebody a name to address them EVERY post it makes you look immature and that you dont understand what you are saying.
“You think that just becuse you can explain hulk’s feats scientifcaly that makes your arguments better than mine,good luck trying its fiction any thing goes there’s nothing logical about a hulk comic book.”
There is a great deal of logic and science involved. Marvel tries to give more realism and base its comics of more factual things. Sure a lot isnt, but a lot is.
Your arguments make no sense because you dont know what you are talking about. If you do you should learn how to state the information better, and write better.
“Your starting to act like a little girl getting all mad becuse I ask a question lol.”
Name calling again are we? You are so intelligent…
I get annoyed because you have no clue what youre talking about, and you cling to everything I say like your my fanboy or something.
“The funny thing is shadowhunter never said he was offended he is not as sensitive as you are,why is it every time I say somthing to him you respond if he does’nt get offended then you should not either.”
Im not sensitive, its simply annoying, I think you are on the right rack, but you dont try hard enough, you just namecall and say something random. Honestly its childish. You should stop acting like a teenager and act like a fully functioning adult, because youre making yourself look bad.
Treat people with at least a little respect.
“Man your the biggest hypocrite on hear getting all emotional about a comic book debate.”
How am I a hypocrite for getting emotional about something? Apparently you have no idea what that word means…
“Relax these are just jokes.”
Theyre bad jokes, seriously, read a fn joke book or at least try harder…
“Fury of 5-My jokes are funny to me.And since where getting of subject hypocrite opps I mean fury of 5, i guess the anti monitor and his bananas of rage got you plenty of laughs right.try agian”
Furyof5-you must have a short memory.You told me to stop name calling.And yes you are sensitive ,who else is getting mad becuse shadowguy(lol)does not agree with you. Where getting of subject but anyway.And did you say I was acting like a teenager LOL i guess that you must have forgot about that scan you but up a while back.And please dont bring up jokes becuse you only got one person to laugh at yours and that was out of pitty.If you look up the word hypocrite there will be a picture of you smiling with a hulk rocks t-shirt on.Lol now thats funny
and shadowhunter you did not answer my question do you think thor can beat superman
I think Iceman can beat Flash. They state that Flash is the speed force, and can tap into the speed force and also distribute the speed force…etc. All this describe is Flash’s involvement with the speed force. I even read that Flash created the speed force… also, Flash’s interaction with it… Like Thor’s involvement with his hammer is different than Captain America’s or even Gladiator’s… Captian America’s noble pure heart allows him to lift it, Thor’s right is a birth right as he isn’t solely noble or pure, and Beta Ray Bill has his own Hammer which is more inline with why Thor has his… Gladiator can lift it because of Psionic reasons (if he thinks he can lift it, he will)… anyway, Iceman’s control over any kinetic energy automatically gives him control over the speed force as it is simply an energy (as decribed in wiki)…
Iceman psionic control over anything kinetic, thermal, etc. makes him an Omega-Level Mutant. He can prevent anyone’s molecules from spinning. He can even transform any energy into it’s reciprical towards absolute zero.
The Speed Force happens when Flash taps into it and exerts it’s properties in concert to his speed needs, however no matter what those needs are, Iceman automatically feeds off of it and reverses its effects. He doesn’t need to directly have access to the speed force, it’s just that the fact it exist means he automatically is empowered, whether it existed always or was just created or unleashed.
I noticed that each time the show it, it looks like a portal and everything slows down to a stand still. Iceman would definitely stop that effect and even close the portal with his powers.
Also, I am only surmising all of this… I have no evidence that this is even the direction the writers will take Iceman… but it makes sense and they should…
And my comment about Quasar and Green Lantern still stands… I think they should share #10 spot as a tie because their powers are exactly the same (in my opinion).
And lastly, Superman is the most powerful hero. Thor is second and Silver Surfer is third.
By the way, why is Phoenix, Wonder Woman, and Susan Richards ineligible for this list?
Ernest….you should read the intro to the list. They state that any hero whose powers are too similiar to the ones on the list were disqualified. I assume they choose GL because he is more well known.
“Furyof5-you must have a short memory.You told me to stop name calling.”
I remember that, I just did it. I said stop doing it badly, not my fauly you dont understand English.
“And yes you are sensitive ,who else is getting mad becuse shadowguy(lol)does not agree with you.”
Im not sensitive, your simply unintelligent, you act very immature and its incredibly annoying.
“Where getting of subject but anyway.And did you say I was acting like a teenager LOL i guess that you must have forgot about that scan you but up a while back.”
Ide love to know which one, but your are too unintelligent to actually give a source, or give an intelligent argument.
“And please dont bring up jokes becuse you only got one person to laugh at yours and that was out of pitty.”
Lmao sure, several people laugh at my jokes, none laugh at yours, because you cant make any good ones.
“If you look up the word hypocrite there will be a picture of you smiling with a hulk rocks t-shirt on.”
You have NO CLUE what Hyprocrit means do you? besides I dont own any Hulk shirts, I usually wear metal shirts if I wear something with something on it.
“Lol now thats funny”
Not really, but you cant comprehend actual humor so Ill let you enjoy your idiotic laughter.
“Fury-I think you got mad becuse you made that up about hulk’s speed growing with his rage.”
I never made this up, go on the god damn Marvel website or read a comic.
Hilarious that you call me a writer yet you are too ignorant to pick up a comic and read for yourself. Stop getting arguments off wiki and youtube and pick up a god damn comic.
“I ever heard that before did anybody else?”
Yes they have, everyone has except you, you really are making yourself look like a complete idiot out here…
Pungadoo : You think I only have the time to answer you? I’m at school kid. You should do the same. University is keeping me busy. Get used to it. I’ll come back with that later. I’m going back home and I’ll read every crap you wrote. Just know something, with what I’ve read, Fury is better than you at defending Hulk than you are since you keep bringing the same crap everyday (even if you rarelly bring something).
And YES, Superman is above Thor. Why? He’s above Thor in term of Strenght, Speed, Endurance, Fighting skills (since he trained with Wonder Woman, Batman, Mongul, etc) it helps. Thor is a magical being? Who care…? Superman resistance to magic depends on him. If he thinks a blast will injure him, it will. If he thinks it won’t, it won’t. That’s how it goes.
Ernest : I’m sorry but Flash all the way. The Speed Force is a unlimited source of energy. Even if Iceman could slow down The Flash, the speed force won’t stop or won’t loose it’s energy.
Found it on Wonder Woman respect thread. She actually pull someone out by putting a feet inside it. I’ll try to find the scan. I already saw it somewhere else. I’ll stay in touch.
Okay im back,now lol fury you are very intnteresting.And you are sensitive ,who defends someone they dont know.And I dont care if you dont think my jokes are funny.At least im not begging for someone to laugh like you with that monkey joke.Anyway i stated from the begining why you where a hypocrite (smart guy) and now im saying your arrogant as well.And how can I make a point when a sensitive guy like you keeps interupting becuse your feelings where hurt lol.And so what I followed you ,you read more comics then me big deal I have yet to make an arguement smart guy.Not one time did I ask anybody to laugh at my jokes like you did.You know more than me about comics big deal.And that thing about the hulk t shirt was a joke it was sarcasim.Maybe you did’nt get it.Like I said before your a hypocrite you call numerous people names then you tell me to stop calling shadowhunter names.That sounds like a hypocrite to me.And yes your also sensitive like when shadowhunter disagree’d with you got all upset and went on a rant.And just like i said before I think you made that stuff up about hulk’s speed increasing with his rage.And you said everbody agrees with you about hulks speed increasing with his rage ,well name one person on hear who has heard that.And for the last time I dont care if you think im not funny either are you mr sensitive.Now this question is for everybody since mr sensitive likes to make stuff up who hear has ever heard that hulks speed increases with his rage?lol this is to easy .mr sensitive dont cry lol aka furious hypocrite hahahahahaha did you understand that.lol you said im imature and you sit there and read comic books all day.Man you sure told me I guess i should be quiet.And for everybody else im sorry but he started this.I want to talk about comics but mr sensitive cant relax becuse his feelings are hurt like a little girl.Tell him to stop starting with me.
Pungadoo : What Fury said is true. With his rage, Hulk can pretty much get stronger in every way. It’s like Yellow sun energy for Superman. More rad Superman gets, more powerfull he’ll be. Hulk is powered by his rage. His speed is increasing as well. But I don’t think, I really don’t, that he can get as fast as any Speedsters with his rage. It’s just stupid and pretty much impossible.
Shadowhunter let me ask you a sensitive question.(lol) .Since fury feels the need to defend you can you tell me if you where offended by any jokes I made I appoloigize if you where .I did not mean them.I ask you this so you can tell mr sensitive aka furious hypocrite to stop defending you so we can get back to the topic at hand.But instead i have to make this sensitve letter becuse furious hypocrite thinks im offending you.IF you could please to mR sensitve aka furyof5 TO stop defending you then we can get back to the topic without these sensitive moments.
Shadowhunter where did you read that his speed increases with his rage.I know his durability increases so does his healing factor and strength.But I never heard that his speed increases with rage.
Pungadoo : Bunch of comics shows it. Take a small look at Hulk’s respect thread.
For the sensitive thing, you mind shutting up? It’s a debate website, for god sake. I don’t freaking care what you think about anyone. Everytime you call me Shadowcat or something else, you just show how immature you really are. Grow up and debate.
Pungadoo:….Wow… can you even read what you said yourself? It was one big block or rambling text… Looks like something a second grader would write due to the extreme lack of any grammar whatsoever.
SH: I wanted to show you something I think is pretty cool, Hulk crushing Thor’s hammer
In terms of speed Idk which speedsters you refer to, he cant outrun Flash, but he has been shown to have superspeed by outrunning intercontinental ballistic missiles, Catching missiles with his hands and bullets with his teeth.
He can run faster than the speed of sound which has been shown and even faster than that.
Idk how fast exactly he can run, but Im pretty sure it continues to increase just like everything else, thus you cant really say how fast he is
I’ve been over this a long time ago and I just said the main arguments.
Superman is above Thor in the domain of :
Flight
Strenght
Speed
Intelligence
Stamina
Will
Combat Fighting Skills (I don’t care Thor has over 1000 years of experience. Superman has learned from the bests of the best : Mongul, Batman, Wonder Woman, Huntress, etc.)
Energy Absorbtion : Superman absorb energy every seconds. He was able to absorb the energy of One million suns and use it to power up his Heat Vision.
Shadow Hunter, if Iceman feeds off energy, particularly kinetic which is what speed is, and speed force is energy, and if it is “Ernest : I’m sorry but Flash all the way. The Speed Force is a unlimited source of energy. Even if Iceman could slow down The Flash, the speed force won’t stop or won’t loose it’s energy.”, then Iceman’s power won’t stop or lose it’s energy as it is feed off of something that is doing the same…. He’d probably be the equivalent of Jean Grey to Dark Phoenix as Iceman is to what every he’d become
Juggie gets defeated on the next page by Charles X-avier.
@Shadowhunter
You know what Shadow?
I have started wondering why are We assuming that Full Odin Force Thor is as powerful as his Dad?
Odin was a master with the Odin Force, Thor did not master it and actually He does not have anything as impresive as Odin, When it comes to feats.
I wonder if in the short run that Thor had the full OF He will be actually able to pull something as impresive as Odin.
hmmmm :/
I don’t know.
Full OF Thor vs Modern Superman, may not be a walk in the park for OF Thor, not because Superman is at Sky Father Level, but because Thor is a rookie with the Odin Force, He never did anything as impresive as his Father, This could give Superman a chance to win. But, regardless of that, Yes Thor with the FULL OF is more powerful than Superman, It does not matter if He knows how to use it or not.
All I’m saying is that Superman has a chance to defeat someone with the OF, IF the character with the OF is not as experienced as ODIN & as rookie as Thor.
Wishfull thinking? maybe, but saying that Full OF Thor is at Odin level is also wishful thinking, there is no evidence to back this up.
@Ernest
Nice theory with the Iceman. Can he “freeze” time?
I don’t know anything about Iceman, I stopped reading X-men in the Byrne era
Flash can make constructs out of the Speed Force
What is the range of Iceman’s power?
It could be an interesting match. I do believe however that Flash reacting in a Femto-second does not give the Iceman to much room to do anything.
But who knows, If Flash mistakens the Iceman for Captain Cold, The Iceman could win.
Killer Frost could be close to the Iceman in power level, this might give us an idea on how the Flash could fare against the Iceman.
Alberto : The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Is Thor’s Odin Force more powerfull than the Imperiex Prime blast? A blast that killed Doomsday? Is it close? Equal? Not as powerfull or much powerfull?
Since you said Modern Superman is pretty close to Superboy Prime, Modern Superman might be able to absorb the Guardians powers just like Superboy Prime did. Superboy Prime is considered a PC Superman but he didn’t had his Anti-Monitor armor during the fight against the Guardians so it wasn’t the armor who helped him. We all know Superman is a limitless battery that can absorb pretty much anything (electricity, radiation, etc). When I learned that Modern Superman survived the blast of the Imperiex Prime, I wasn’t so sure about the winner in the battle Modern Superman vs Odin Force Thor. It’s a theory but with everything Modern Superman went throught, he might be able to absorb or even resist the Odin Force. That’s just a theory and the only thing I have to back this up is Superboy Prime absorbing the suicide blast of a Guardian (it is extremelly powerfull since you can see all the other Guardians making a shield to protect everyone outside the bubble and Superman surviving the blast of the Imperiex Prime, a blast that took out Doomsday quickly.
The only thing I have to consider is that I know for a fact that Odin can destroy a Galaxy. But Odin is an experienced MOFO with the OF, Thor is not.
I will not even dare to say That Superman could defeat Odin, because of his experience.
If Thor coul be able to master the OF and generate a blast that Powerful, He may be able to kill him, because I heve seen that a galaxy busting blast has destroyed kryptonian DNA at point blank range.
And I do not believe Imperex Prime blasted Superman with a galaxy busting blast, but with less power. Now If We get proof that Superman can Survive a galaxy busting blast, then is a different story.
Alberto : I wonder how powerfull Superman’s heat vision is. Since the scientist of Earth don’t know how much powerfull it can be, we could be surprised. I’m saying this because he accomplished unbelieveble things with it.
Besides it wasnt a “dream” it was a therapy session
“2nd scan
That was not the end of the fight
Juggie gets defeated on the next page by Charles X-avier.”
Yea, after getting his ass kicked by Hulk, who had won THEIR fight.
“@Shadowhunter
You know what Shadow?
I have started wondering why are We assuming that Full Odin Force Thor is as powerful as his Dad?
Odin was a master with the Odin Force, Thor did not master it and actually He does not have anything as impresive as Odin, When it comes to feats.
I wonder if in the short run that Thor had the full OF He will be actually able to pull something as impresive as Odin.”
You know while I know this was directed at Shadow I wanted to chime in.
Odin created the Odin Force, Odin is far above that of Thor even with OF. Remember his battle with Seth? I never recall Thor doing anything like that.
It would probably take a very long time to fully master OF, and some help from Odin. Rune king Thor is superior either way though.
“I wonder how powerfull Superman’s heat vision is. Since the scientist of Earth don’t know how much powerfull it can be, we could be surprised. I’m saying this because he accomplished unbelieveble things with it.”
Hmm odd, this sounds EXACTLY like what all of Earths greatest scientists say about Hulk’s strength…
Fury : Well, the couple Batman/Wonder Woman is pretty weird but I would have liked to see them together in the comics (they are my two favourite Superheroes).
How’s this for a Black Bolt feat:
He whispered and shattered every bone in Hulk’s body. Utterly owning him.
Fury of 5-My jokes are funny to me.And since where getting of subject hypocrite opps I mean fury of 5, i guess the anti monitor and his bananas of rage got you plenty of laughs right.try agian
Fury… Maybe YOU should read more comics. The Thing vs Silver Surfer fight has been retconned. (maybe you don’t know what that means). Also, when Thor beats the surfer, oftentimes he uses his hammer to block cosmic energy blasts. Its not just a physical fight. Maybe you should figure out what you’re talking about. Also, Thor has drained energy from numerous opponents before. He once sucked someone’s energy out of them and used it to re-ignite a star. Also, interviews with writers are not canon. They have no bearing on comic books debates on any other sites than this one apparently. Hulk was owned by a satelitte. Bottom line. That’s what’s in the comic.
Superman’s eye beams once restarted the big bang, and tore a hole in the universe another time. They can be hotter than the core of the sun. So no…its not a bad example, and we DONT KNOW Hulk can survive it, as I’ve seen him KO’ed by a single nuke.
FURY OF 5-I guess name calling is aloud only when you do it right and I think marvel knows more than you do after all they wrote the comic book.You think that just becuse you can explain hulk’s feats scientifcaly that makes your arguments better than mine,good luck trying its fiction any thing goes there’s nothing logical about a hulk comic book.Your starting to act like a little girl getting all mad becuse I ask a question lol.The funny thing is shadowhunter never said he was offended he is not as sensitive as you are,why is it every time I say somthing to him you respond if he does’nt get offended then you should not either.Man your the biggest hypocrite on hear getting all emotional about a comic book debate.Relax these are just jokes.
Shadow hunter do you agree that thors should be number one.And furyof5 I never claimed to be an expert any way what comic ever stated that hulk’s speed gets better with his rage I never heard that and i dont think thats true.
“Fury… Maybe YOU should read more comics.”
I have read a lot, lol but you wouldnt know that…
“The Thing vs Silver Surfer fight has been retconned. (maybe you don’t know what that means).”
Lots of things have been retconed, doesnt mean they didnt happen. Ever heard of Crisis On Infinite Earths? Evereything before it still happened, we simply refer to it as pre crisis.
Also a lot of retcons are idiotic. Like how Reed Richards took care of Sue as a child and then they fell in love… uh…hmm…
“Also, when Thor beats the surfer, oftentimes he uses his hammer to block cosmic energy blasts. Its not just a physical fight. Maybe you should figure out what you’re talking about.”
I know what Im talking about, Thor beats SS using brute force, he could beat him in other ways too. As SS said before when he was over powered by Loki that his abilities do not match those of Thor. And Stan Lee who created and wrote these two say SS is number 2 behind Thor, thus SS isnt equal to him.
“Also, Thor has drained energy from numerous opponents before. He once sucked someone’s energy out of them and used it to re-ignite a star.”
Thor has done much better thins than this two, once he absorbed a null bomb’s energies with mjornir which was capable of destroying a galaxy. I have nothing bad to say about Thor, he is awesome and one of my favorite characters
“Also, interviews with writers are not canon.”
No theey are not, but seeing as the writers decide what is cannon and what is not, control retcons, and are responsible for the fates of our favorite heros than what they say are very important. Some people fail to understand this. Its like saying if god said “what really happened was etc” to put it in perspective then you said “Doesnt say that here in the history book” or “I didnt get that from what it said”. It is an important thing to use in debates. For example if Stan Lee says “Hulk would be utterly annihilated by Martian Manhunter” I would most certainly agree, as he is the ultimate authority on Hulk, being he is the creator and a main writer.
“They have no bearing on comic books debates on any other sites than this one apparently.”
Who cares what people here or anywhere else think? Its not important. they arent writers, they arent important in the main comic continuum. Im not important in it either. They can not say what you can and can not use, they can simply give reasons they feel as to why.
“Hulk was owned by a satelitte. Bottom line. That’s what’s in the comic.”
Wrong. Read the comic. Hulk allows it to happen. Greg Pack specifically quotes when Hulk says to do it and sets up the entire thing.
Read it again, theres a reason it redoes the whole “hero or destroyer” dialog, why Hulk says to do it. Why Hulk could have easily had time to make his move but allowed Stark to unleash it. He held back and didnt want to do it. He hated himself just as much as the Illuminati and wanted to be put out of his misery.
THAT is what is in the comic.
Pungadoo:
“FURY OF 5-I guess name calling is aloud only when you do it right and I think marvel knows more than you do after all they wrote the comic book.”
Which name calling are you referring to? I said if you are going to do it at least do it well. Besides if you call somebody a name to address them EVERY post it makes you look immature and that you dont understand what you are saying.
“You think that just becuse you can explain hulk’s feats scientifcaly that makes your arguments better than mine,good luck trying its fiction any thing goes there’s nothing logical about a hulk comic book.”
There is a great deal of logic and science involved. Marvel tries to give more realism and base its comics of more factual things. Sure a lot isnt, but a lot is.
Your arguments make no sense because you dont know what you are talking about. If you do you should learn how to state the information better, and write better.
“Your starting to act like a little girl getting all mad becuse I ask a question lol.”
Name calling again are we? You are so intelligent…
I get annoyed because you have no clue what youre talking about, and you cling to everything I say like your my fanboy or something.
“The funny thing is shadowhunter never said he was offended he is not as sensitive as you are,why is it every time I say somthing to him you respond if he does’nt get offended then you should not either.”
Im not sensitive, its simply annoying, I think you are on the right rack, but you dont try hard enough, you just namecall and say something random. Honestly its childish. You should stop acting like a teenager and act like a fully functioning adult, because youre making yourself look bad.
Treat people with at least a little respect.
“Man your the biggest hypocrite on hear getting all emotional about a comic book debate.”
How am I a hypocrite for getting emotional about something? Apparently you have no idea what that word means…
“Relax these are just jokes.”
Theyre bad jokes, seriously, read a fn joke book or at least try harder…
“Fury of 5-My jokes are funny to me.And since where getting of subject hypocrite opps I mean fury of 5, i guess the anti monitor and his bananas of rage got you plenty of laughs right.try agian”
Alberto found it funny, so
“Lots of things have been retconed, doesnt mean they didnt happen. ”
Actually that’s sort of the definition.
Also, writers decide what’s canon AFTER the editor signs off.
Furyof5-you must have a short memory.You told me to stop name calling.And yes you are sensitive ,who else is getting mad becuse shadowguy(lol)does not agree with you. Where getting of subject but anyway.And did you say I was acting like a teenager LOL i guess that you must have forgot about that scan you but up a while back.And please dont bring up jokes becuse you only got one person to laugh at yours and that was out of pitty.If you look up the word hypocrite there will be a picture of you smiling with a hulk rocks t-shirt on.Lol now thats funny
and shadowhunter you did not answer my question do you think thor can beat superman
Fury-I think you got mad becuse you made that up about hulk’s speed growing with his rage.I ever heard that before did anybody else?
I think Iceman can beat Flash. They state that Flash is the speed force, and can tap into the speed force and also distribute the speed force…etc. All this describe is Flash’s involvement with the speed force. I even read that Flash created the speed force… also, Flash’s interaction with it… Like Thor’s involvement with his hammer is different than Captain America’s or even Gladiator’s… Captian America’s noble pure heart allows him to lift it, Thor’s right is a birth right as he isn’t solely noble or pure, and Beta Ray Bill has his own Hammer which is more inline with why Thor has his… Gladiator can lift it because of Psionic reasons (if he thinks he can lift it, he will)… anyway, Iceman’s control over any kinetic energy automatically gives him control over the speed force as it is simply an energy (as decribed in wiki)…
Iceman psionic control over anything kinetic, thermal, etc. makes him an Omega-Level Mutant. He can prevent anyone’s molecules from spinning. He can even transform any energy into it’s reciprical towards absolute zero.
The Speed Force happens when Flash taps into it and exerts it’s properties in concert to his speed needs, however no matter what those needs are, Iceman automatically feeds off of it and reverses its effects. He doesn’t need to directly have access to the speed force, it’s just that the fact it exist means he automatically is empowered, whether it existed always or was just created or unleashed.
I noticed that each time the show it, it looks like a portal and everything slows down to a stand still. Iceman would definitely stop that effect and even close the portal with his powers.
Also, I am only surmising all of this… I have no evidence that this is even the direction the writers will take Iceman… but it makes sense and they should…
And my comment about Quasar and Green Lantern still stands… I think they should share #10 spot as a tie because their powers are exactly the same (in my opinion).
And lastly, Superman is the most powerful hero. Thor is second and Silver Surfer is third.
By the way, why is Phoenix, Wonder Woman, and Susan Richards ineligible for this list?
oops i meant to say never not ever
Ernest….you should read the intro to the list. They state that any hero whose powers are too similiar to the ones on the list were disqualified. I assume they choose GL because he is more well known.
Also furyof5 I think I stated why you where a hypocrite and the begining.
“Furyof5-you must have a short memory.You told me to stop name calling.”
I remember that, I just did it. I said stop doing it badly, not my fauly you dont understand English.
“And yes you are sensitive ,who else is getting mad becuse shadowguy(lol)does not agree with you.”
Im not sensitive, your simply unintelligent, you act very immature and its incredibly annoying.
“Where getting of subject but anyway.And did you say I was acting like a teenager LOL i guess that you must have forgot about that scan you but up a while back.”
Ide love to know which one, but your are too unintelligent to actually give a source, or give an intelligent argument.
“And please dont bring up jokes becuse you only got one person to laugh at yours and that was out of pitty.”
Lmao sure, several people laugh at my jokes, none laugh at yours, because you cant make any good ones.
“If you look up the word hypocrite there will be a picture of you smiling with a hulk rocks t-shirt on.”
You have NO CLUE what Hyprocrit means do you? besides I dont own any Hulk shirts, I usually wear metal shirts if I wear something with something on it.
“Lol now thats funny”
Not really, but you cant comprehend actual humor so Ill let you enjoy your idiotic laughter.
“Fury-I think you got mad becuse you made that up about hulk’s speed growing with his rage.”
I never made this up, go on the god damn Marvel website or read a comic.
Hilarious that you call me a writer yet you are too ignorant to pick up a comic and read for yourself. Stop getting arguments off wiki and youtube and pick up a god damn comic.
“I ever heard that before did anybody else?”
Yes they have, everyone has except you, you really are making yourself look like a complete idiot out here…
Pungadoo : You think I only have the time to answer you? I’m at school kid. You should do the same. University is keeping me busy. Get used to it. I’ll come back with that later. I’m going back home and I’ll read every crap you wrote. Just know something, with what I’ve read, Fury is better than you at defending Hulk than you are since you keep bringing the same crap everyday (even if you rarelly bring something).
And YES, Superman is above Thor. Why? He’s above Thor in term of Strenght, Speed, Endurance, Fighting skills (since he trained with Wonder Woman, Batman, Mongul, etc) it helps. Thor is a magical being? Who care…? Superman resistance to magic depends on him. If he thinks a blast will injure him, it will. If he thinks it won’t, it won’t. That’s how it goes.
Coming back later. Get ready kid.
I guess Black Bolt is more well known than Quasar? (to DC readers) I asked most and a similar number of DC readers don’t know either of them…
and back to Iceman… he’s the best!
This argument is a complete mess, Everybody is fighting everybody.
Ladies and Gentelmen
NERD BATTLE ROYALE!!!
Ernest : I’m sorry but Flash all the way. The Speed Force is a unlimited source of energy. Even if Iceman could slow down The Flash, the speed force won’t stop or won’t loose it’s energy.
Alberto:
“This argument is a complete mess, Everybody is fighting everybody.
Ladies and Gentelmen
NERD BATTLE ROYALE!!! ”
Oh thats how we settle it? Lol I wish I knew from the beginning. Im pretty sure Ide win because Im probably the only ripped nerd on here XD
@ShadowHunter
Hey Shadow hunter/dude/cat or whatever is your name nowadays
I did not know that WW entered the speed force.
You know what issue number? or do you have a scan of it?
Found it on Wonder Woman respect thread. She actually pull someone out by putting a feet inside it. I’ll try to find the scan. I already saw it somewhere else. I’ll stay in touch.
Okay im back,now lol fury you are very intnteresting.And you are sensitive ,who defends someone they dont know.And I dont care if you dont think my jokes are funny.At least im not begging for someone to laugh like you with that monkey joke.Anyway i stated from the begining why you where a hypocrite (smart guy) and now im saying your arrogant as well.And how can I make a point when a sensitive guy like you keeps interupting becuse your feelings where hurt lol.And so what I followed you ,you read more comics then me big deal I have yet to make an arguement smart guy.Not one time did I ask anybody to laugh at my jokes like you did.You know more than me about comics big deal.And that thing about the hulk t shirt was a joke it was sarcasim.Maybe you did’nt get it.Like I said before your a hypocrite you call numerous people names then you tell me to stop calling shadowhunter names.That sounds like a hypocrite to me.And yes your also sensitive like when shadowhunter disagree’d with you got all upset and went on a rant.And just like i said before I think you made that stuff up about hulk’s speed increasing with his rage.And you said everbody agrees with you about hulks speed increasing with his rage ,well name one person on hear who has heard that.And for the last time I dont care if you think im not funny either are you mr sensitive.Now this question is for everybody since mr sensitive likes to make stuff up who hear has ever heard that hulks speed increases with his rage?lol this is to easy .mr sensitive dont cry lol aka furious hypocrite hahahahahaha did you understand that.lol you said im imature and you sit there and read comic books all day.Man you sure told me I guess i should be quiet.And for everybody else im sorry but he started this.I want to talk about comics but mr sensitive cant relax becuse his feelings are hurt like a little girl.Tell him to stop starting with me.
Pungadoo : What Fury said is true. With his rage, Hulk can pretty much get stronger in every way. It’s like Yellow sun energy for Superman. More rad Superman gets, more powerfull he’ll be. Hulk is powered by his rage. His speed is increasing as well. But I don’t think, I really don’t, that he can get as fast as any Speedsters with his rage. It’s just stupid and pretty much impossible.
Shadowhunter let me ask you a sensitive question.(lol) .Since fury feels the need to defend you can you tell me if you where offended by any jokes I made I appoloigize if you where .I did not mean them.I ask you this so you can tell mr sensitive aka furious hypocrite to stop defending you so we can get back to the topic at hand.But instead i have to make this sensitve letter becuse furious hypocrite thinks im offending you.IF you could please to mR sensitve aka furyof5 TO stop defending you then we can get back to the topic without these sensitive moments.
Shadowhunter where did you read that his speed increases with his rage.I know his durability increases so does his healing factor and strength.But I never heard that his speed increases with rage.
Pungadoo : Bunch of comics shows it. Take a small look at Hulk’s respect thread.
For the sensitive thing, you mind shutting up? It’s a debate website, for god sake. I don’t freaking care what you think about anyone. Everytime you call me Shadowcat or something else, you just show how immature you really are. Grow up and debate.
Cool shadowguy-on that note why dont you copy and paste one so I can see becuse I have seen a bunch of threads and I never saw that.
Can’t right now. Got work for the university. Go on Killermovies, you’ll find what your looking for.
What ever shadow person when you get the time copy and paste it please becuse i did not find it.And i dont believe you.
Pungadoo:….Wow… can you even read what you said yourself? It was one big block or rambling text… Looks like something a second grader would write due to the extreme lack of any grammar whatsoever.
SH: I wanted to show you something I think is pretty cool, Hulk crushing Thor’s hammer
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/thorhammer.jpg
Also some other feats for the hell of it
Hulk beats Juggernaut with ease.
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4010/172203ch.jpg
In terms of speed Idk which speedsters you refer to, he cant outrun Flash, but he has been shown to have superspeed by outrunning intercontinental ballistic missiles, Catching missiles with his hands and bullets with his teeth.
He can run faster than the speed of sound which has been shown and even faster than that.
Idk how fast exactly he can run, but Im pretty sure it continues to increase just like everything else, thus you cant really say how fast he is
Shadowhunter
Okay what makes you say superman is stronger than thor?Answer when you can.
I’ve been over this a long time ago and I just said the main arguments.
Superman is above Thor in the domain of :
Flight
Strenght
Speed
Intelligence
Stamina
Will
Combat Fighting Skills (I don’t care Thor has over 1000 years of experience. Superman has learned from the bests of the best : Mongul, Batman, Wonder Woman, Huntress, etc.)
Energy Absorbtion : Superman absorb energy every seconds. He was able to absorb the energy of One million suns and use it to power up his Heat Vision.
Access to Torquasms
Etc..
There’s plenty more.
Watch OUT! ANGRY PEOPLE ON THE WAY!
I just started reading The Blackest Night. Found out that Wonder Woman still has feelings for Bruce Wayne.
Shadow Hunter, if Iceman feeds off energy, particularly kinetic which is what speed is, and speed force is energy, and if it is “Ernest : I’m sorry but Flash all the way. The Speed Force is a unlimited source of energy. Even if Iceman could slow down The Flash, the speed force won’t stop or won’t loose it’s energy.”, then Iceman’s power won’t stop or lose it’s energy as it is feed off of something that is doing the same…. He’d probably be the equivalent of Jean Grey to Dark Phoenix as Iceman is to what every he’d become
@Fury
1st scan
That was like a dream He had
2nd scan
That was not the end of the fight
Juggie gets defeated on the next page by Charles X-avier.
@Shadowhunter
You know what Shadow?
I have started wondering why are We assuming that Full Odin Force Thor is as powerful as his Dad?
Odin was a master with the Odin Force, Thor did not master it and actually He does not have anything as impresive as Odin, When it comes to feats.
I wonder if in the short run that Thor had the full OF He will be actually able to pull something as impresive as Odin.
hmmmm :/
I don’t know.
Full OF Thor vs Modern Superman, may not be a walk in the park for OF Thor, not because Superman is at Sky Father Level, but because Thor is a rookie with the Odin Force, He never did anything as impresive as his Father, This could give Superman a chance to win. But, regardless of that, Yes Thor with the FULL OF is more powerful than Superman, It does not matter if He knows how to use it or not.
All I’m saying is that Superman has a chance to defeat someone with the OF, IF the character with the OF is not as experienced as ODIN & as rookie as Thor.
Wishfull thinking? maybe, but saying that Full OF Thor is at Odin level is also wishful thinking, there is no evidence to back this up.
@Ernest
Nice theory with the Iceman. Can he “freeze” time?
I don’t know anything about Iceman, I stopped reading X-men in the Byrne era
Flash can make constructs out of the Speed Force
What is the range of Iceman’s power?
It could be an interesting match. I do believe however that Flash reacting in a Femto-second does not give the Iceman to much room to do anything.
But who knows, If Flash mistakens the Iceman for Captain Cold, The Iceman could win.
Killer Frost could be close to the Iceman in power level, this might give us an idea on how the Flash could fare against the Iceman.
Alberto : The question we have to ask ourselves is this : Is Thor’s Odin Force more powerfull than the Imperiex Prime blast? A blast that killed Doomsday? Is it close? Equal? Not as powerfull or much powerfull?
Since you said Modern Superman is pretty close to Superboy Prime, Modern Superman might be able to absorb the Guardians powers just like Superboy Prime did. Superboy Prime is considered a PC Superman but he didn’t had his Anti-Monitor armor during the fight against the Guardians so it wasn’t the armor who helped him. We all know Superman is a limitless battery that can absorb pretty much anything (electricity, radiation, etc). When I learned that Modern Superman survived the blast of the Imperiex Prime, I wasn’t so sure about the winner in the battle Modern Superman vs Odin Force Thor. It’s a theory but with everything Modern Superman went throught, he might be able to absorb or even resist the Odin Force. That’s just a theory and the only thing I have to back this up is Superboy Prime absorbing the suicide blast of a Guardian (it is extremelly powerfull since you can see all the other Guardians making a shield to protect everyone outside the bubble and Superman surviving the blast of the Imperiex Prime, a blast that took out Doomsday quickly.
@Shadowhunter
The only thing I have to consider is that I know for a fact that Odin can destroy a Galaxy. But Odin is an experienced MOFO with the OF, Thor is not.
I will not even dare to say That Superman could defeat Odin, because of his experience.
If Thor coul be able to master the OF and generate a blast that Powerful, He may be able to kill him, because I heve seen that a galaxy busting blast has destroyed kryptonian DNA at point blank range.
And I do not believe Imperex Prime blasted Superman with a galaxy busting blast, but with less power. Now If We get proof that Superman can Survive a galaxy busting blast, then is a different story.
Surviving inside a black hole may be close to it.
Alberto : I wonder how powerfull Superman’s heat vision is. Since the scientist of Earth don’t know how much powerfull it can be, we could be surprised. I’m saying this because he accomplished unbelieveble things with it.
Alberto:
@Fury
1st scan
“That was like a dream He had”
Oh shhh
Besides it wasnt a “dream” it was a therapy session
“2nd scan
That was not the end of the fight
Juggie gets defeated on the next page by Charles X-avier.”
Yea, after getting his ass kicked by Hulk, who had won THEIR fight.
“@Shadowhunter
You know what Shadow?
I have started wondering why are We assuming that Full Odin Force Thor is as powerful as his Dad?
Odin was a master with the Odin Force, Thor did not master it and actually He does not have anything as impresive as Odin, When it comes to feats.
I wonder if in the short run that Thor had the full OF He will be actually able to pull something as impresive as Odin.”
You know while I know this was directed at Shadow I wanted to chime in.
Odin created the Odin Force, Odin is far above that of Thor even with OF. Remember his battle with Seth? I never recall Thor doing anything like that.
It would probably take a very long time to fully master OF, and some help from Odin. Rune king Thor is superior either way though.
Shadow
“I wonder how powerfull Superman’s heat vision is. Since the scientist of Earth don’t know how much powerfull it can be, we could be surprised. I’m saying this because he accomplished unbelieveble things with it.”
Hmm odd, this sounds EXACTLY like what all of Earths greatest scientists say about Hulk’s strength…
ShadowHunter:
“I just started reading The Blackest Night. Found out that Wonder Woman still has feelings for Bruce Wayne.”
Yea she does, and here is absolute proof of this matter…
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6372/1267982146787.jpg
XD
Fury : Well, the couple Batman/Wonder Woman is pretty weird but I would have liked to see them together in the comics (they are my two favourite Superheroes).
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5965408
Fury : It would probably take a very long time to fully master OF, and some help from Odin. Rune king Thor is superior either way though.
Rune King Thor should fight against Gold Superman Prime to make it atleast fair.
Man, Zero should change Superman for Thor. People aren’t debating anymore and the three of us agree with that.