Gladiator blasted Hulk at point blank range with a continouss eye beam. Hulk repeaired himself, walked through it and stopped it by reflecting it into his own eyes.
You left something out of that “feat”. Care to tell me what it is? (btw I already know, just seeing how much you know about your own character).
Rick stop saying what will happen, the sentry lost to hulk already.Imagining what the sentry should have done does not hold any weight when the character already lost to hulk.
pungadoo….Firelord lost to Spiderman. So Spiderman is more powerful than heralds of galactus…right? No…you’re just a moron. And Sentry and Hulk had a draw, you dimwit.
Oh, and Delta (the grandmaster of comic books according to Alberto and ShadowHunter) said and I quote from his earlier comment:
“The only two fights I think are conclusive losses for Thor against Hulk are both in HULK 2001. The first ended with Hulk practically smashing a mountain on Thor, and Thor doesn’t get up for a while, eventually Hulk runs off after getting impatient. Second time was after Thor brought Hulk back to Earth, Hulk sucker-punched Thor then beats the crap out of Thor. Sucker-punch, yeah, but a win’s a win. One could say a lot of fights had Hulk having the upper-hand, but end inconclusively. One fight someone considers a win for Hulk, all Hulk really accomplishes is punching Thor a far distance away before Hulk gets hit by a nuke.”
In AVENGERS #3, Thor deals with both Namor and Hulk, essentially stalemating them until they retreat. I feel that’s a win. It includes the two of them jump Thor and have the leverage advantage and barely manage to restrain Thor. Thor DOES need to use an energy blast from Mjolnir to get out, but I’d say that’s impressive since Hulk and Namor each had a had an arm of Thor’s to themselves, each using both their arms to hold one arm, AND like I said before, had the leverage advantage, and were barely able to restrain Thor. The fight doesn’t last much longer after this until they retreat.
In THOR #489 Thor fights Hulk in Hel. I actually got the determination of this win for Hulk from that Hulk site Willie quoted from earlier. It didn’t make it clear HOW Thor won, but considering the bias the guy on that site has, like he doesn’t include Superman’s win over Hulk in DC/MARVEL a win because it was a “lame fan voted contest” and complained how short it was despite being the main event, even AFTER he admits his bias for Hulk, he actually states that Hulk LOST and says himself that Superman probably should win, he doesn’t include it as a win for either. And a fight between Silver Surfer and Hulk, he did NOT count it as a win for Surfer because it “wasn’t much of a fight.” Surfer beat Hulk in one panel. And there’s numerous examples of him counting it as a win for Hulk when the fights were draws and as draws for Hulk when Hulk lost. So I’m going to take his word that Thor lost, considering the bias for Hulk. BERSERKR said he has every issue of THOR and all the Thor appearances in JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY, so you could ask him for the scans, I’d like to see them myself.
In the issue I lack the reference for, I saw a scan of Thor putting up a vortex/force-field to keep Hulk at bay while he spoke with Odin. Hulk could NOT get through it, and I’d consider that a win for Thor.
And in HULK 2001, that annual had three fights between Thor and Hulk. The first and last I’d say are decisive victories for Hulk, the ONLY times I’ve seen a conclusive win for Hulk. The second fight, Thor knocks Hulk out with a lightning bolt. Then Thor carries off Hulk to bring them both back to Earth.
“It is apart of basic physics that in zero gravity one can “swim” by moving ones limbs to propel yourself, Hulk is perfectly capable of doing this, and due to his ever increasing strength he can do so at an astonishing rate, I have covered this before…”
NO ITS NOT. You’re truly are impaired, aren’t you? You can swim in a space shuttle in zero gravity…WHERE THERE IS AIR!!!!! No in empty space which is a vacuum. GOD!
You want a quote, STAN LEE said Thor is Marvel’s equivalent to Superman (i.e. the most powerful character). Quotes don’t mean shit. Even from Stan Lee.
Many of you noticed that some blurbs have changed, and the order of the list is also altered. The list is still a work in progress. Probably at the end of March we’ll have a final version. I’ve been working with Delta on the list (Especially in regards to the ordering) and I think he agrees with it, except I think he’d obviously prefer Superman ahead of Thor). The only question I have personally is whether Superman should be ahead of Silver Surfer or not. I’m not convinced either way yet.
In regards to Sentry and Captain Marvel, I personally believe Sentry should be higher, but Delta convinced me to put Captain Marvel ahead of him. As for the Hulk, Delta and I both agree that there’s not a chance of him making the list. Sure, he can beat some heroes on this list, but only when those heroes ignore their other powers and just slug it out with the Hulk. That’s the update for now. Talk to you guys later. Alberto and President Steve, I’d like to hear your opinions on the list’s order especially. I’m 95% sure of it, but wouldn’t mind some opinions. I’ll be checking back in later this week.
That makes no sense zeromage Sentry toughest battle( which he lost fair and square)was against hulk yet the hulk does not belong on this list.SUPERMAN’s best power is his superstrength and durablity.Correct me if im wrong and the hulk has the potential to surpas him.IN fact the hulk as stated in an earlier comic that I posted before stated that hulk had no limit to his POWER in fact has greater feats than half the characters up their yet hulk belongs no where up there to you.
Zero : If Thor was able to beat Silver Surfer with only pure strenght, it makes no doubt that Superman can beat him too since he’s ahead of Thor in that domain.
Not just to Zeromage, but to me, and also Delta, and I suspect Alberto as well. And Sentry stalemated Galactus, so Hulk was far from his most powerful opponent. Unless you think Hulk > Galactus (you probably do).
This is for President Steve who stated I have no right giving my opinion since I didnt know anything about black bolt. That was my point!!! No one knows anything about black bolt. He just isnt popular enough to be on this list. Believe me, there is a whole list of superheroes who no longer exist that would whup ass on their entire stupid top 10 list. Molecule man (secret wars) was the one I mentioned but he blows, and no longer exists to my knowlege.
They are always trying to come up with new “strongest” heroes. The Rulk is the newest example and I gaurantee he won’t be around in 10 years. Everyone is so big on Sentry……he blows to. He has only been around since 2000. Say bye to him to. The only people that fall for these new dumbass superheroes are the real comic geeks. My list is still the best.
1.Superman
2.Hulk
3.Thor
4.Silver Surfer
Now you may be able to come up with someone like jerkmyself man who made 4 appearenced in Marvel 20 years ago and has defeated all 4 of these guys but who cares….no one will know who the hell your talking about.
Steve, I notice all the links you posted showing black bolt beating the Hulk were all from the 70′s. NO WAY THAT IS HAPPENING NOW!!!! They write the Hulk a lot more powerful than they did then. In the DVD Hulk VS, he destroys thor. In the ultimate avengers he totally crushes all of the Avengers. It goes in ebbs and flows. Supes was a lot more powerful but they couldnt write for him so they made him weaker but he will be back. Right now with his movies and Dvd’s out, they write the Hulk a lot stronger, so Black bolts gay power of screeching wont cut it at all.
Almost forgot, that is such a queer power. They had a guy in the movie “Push” have the same power and it was done right. Black bolt is so stupid. Hey, if you like him so much, wait for his movie to come out……………ya right.
Franklin Richards should be #1 on the list, He does not qualify as a Cosmic Being and also He does not qualify as a Sky Father and I quote Zeromage:
“First we excluded all super villains, this is heroes only, next we eliminated all exorbitantly overpowered cosmic beings (Phoenix, Odin, or the Highfather). And finally we ignored all heroes that would be considered ‘normal’ but have similar powers as those listed below.”
Franklin Richards is just a mutant and by this standards He should be #1 because He can affect reality in a Cosmic Level. I concede that He does not control his power and this could be a drawback for him. But none the less, He qualifies as a Superhero and easily as a kid He could be the most powerful Superhero OF ALL TIME.
Reality manipulation in a cosmic level sounds to me as Thanos with the IG. AND HE IS JUST A MUTANT.
The Sentry:
I have mix stances for him.
One is that this “new” Sentry is hardly a Superhero, He is more like a villain now, Also IF according to Dark Avengers the Sentry can own Molecule Man, Then Simply, He should be #1 or 2 if you consider Franklin Richards. Or to make it more simple Just get him out of the list for being Ubber powerful and not being sure if he is Galactus or God
(AKA COSMIC BEING)also like I mentioned before I’m not even sure if He is a Hero anymore.
Spiderman saying that The Sentry just stalemate Galactus it should be taken as “allegedly”, because there is NO PROOF of this being true, besides the fact that the tale was told by the sentry to Spiderman and an agoraphobic schizophrenic is not to be trusted telling the truth.
Having touched the Sentry subject it also leads to my next point, THE HULK:
First things first with the Hulk. The new Sentry is not the same as WWH Sentry, So don’t even think to bring this up on an argument.
Hulk by all rights could take on all the guys on the current list.
I do not doubt that, While Zeromage could argue that If OUR LIST HEROES fight smart they could take out the Hulk fast, before He “HULKS UP”. The fact is, that MOST HEROES IN THIS LIST DO NOT FIGHT SMART USUALLY AND a lot of them, as seen in canon comics, Do not approach the Hulk in a smart way, which should be 1,000 yards away.
So this gives the Hulk a clear advantage while fighting any guy here.
I have no doubt that after any of the list heroes is on the ropes against the Hulk, THEN they will start fighting smart, but then You have to ask yourself, Will that be enough by then? Is Hulk still on a manageable power level for our hero to take him out?
Who do I believe will try to slug out the Hulk?
Thor He has always done it
GL Hal Jordan as cocky as He is, I have no doubt He will fail to fight in a smart way against the Hulk
Martian Manhunter is out of the fight if the Hulk lilts a match and believe me, this two guys fighting I’m sure there is going to be plenty of fires around for Hulk to cook some Martian
The Sentry it has been shown He like to engage the Hulk in a slug feast
Flash, Dr. Stranger, Black Bolt, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel and Superman will tend to take a smarter approach against the Hulk, Well I’m not sure about Superman and Captain Marvel.
If THOR, GL, MMH, THE SENTRY, SUPERMAN OR CAPTAIN MARVEL, DO NOT take the smart approach against the Hulk, and try to punch their way against the Hulk, The only ones that I can see being unable to compensate for their mistake of trying to physically overcome the Hulk are GL, MMH.
The Sentry? Maybe
Thor, Superman and Captain Marvel will have more than enough power left, to correct their mistake.
So yes, while an argument can be made that the heroes from this list, IF they fight smart, they will win against the Hulk, but how many times do We see this heroes fighting smart?
I have to agree with Paul, That the Hulk is being portayed as more powerful recently and it might be Marvel apporach of saying HULK is the strongest there is
Hulk has defeated Thor in recent years more than the other way arround
The fight on heroes reborn went to Hulk, and that is canon, because the heroes from the reborn universe came back, Hulk/Maestro stalemate the berserkers rage also.
This has actually make me rethink my whole approach to the Hulk, because maybe He is not as hopeless as We might think He is.
I do however actually not consider Hulk as powerful as Thor, but certatly a match for Thor, if Thor does not fight smart againt the Hulk, which He tends to do a lot.
Silver Surfer has always approached the Hulk in a smarter manner.
I just posted Silver Surfer traveling to the past to change the future.This is an example of pulling off a Terminator Style of beating his opponent.He can pull off a Terminator on Superman.Killing Kal El in the Past and its good bye Present Day Superman.
If He can do that, then He should be ahead of Thor
Also on this regard Flash should be #1 ahead of SS
Flash can travel in time faster than SS, Flash can go to the past before SS got his powers from Galactus and kill SS, he even can go in the past and kill Galactus when He was only Galan
Outsmarting a character does not mean your more powerful then that character.You guys are hypocrites one of you said the hulk was weak for not using his power and out smarting juggs.Then you say the other charcthers that lost to hulk should have tried to out smart hulk insted of matching power standing toe to toe with him.LOL I thought this was a dabate about who was the most powerful not who can fight the most safe.LOL if all the comic charcthers fought like that no one would buy them.Imagine superman using his brain against the hulk Lol. Sure he would win easy if he flew out of space miles in the sky where hulk could not reach him and blasted him with his laser vision then he ran every time using superspeed to run away from hulk the whole fight. No one would read it, there is a reason every charcther slugs it out with hulk .THE writers write them that way becuse everbody WANTS TO SEE THEM SLUG IT OUT.IF your trying to find out who is the most powerfull then its pretty obviuos who should be up there,the hulk should.But it seems like you guys are looking for who fight’s the smartest.
Alberto
I dont think hulk can beat all of them.THE point im tyring to make is this list is not about who can beat who this list is about who is powerful.And hulk has displayed way better feats of power than half of them on this list.Now if the list was about who can beat who then that is another story but this list is about who is powerful.Maybe they should change the name of the list to who is the better fighter.
SS wouldn’t able to pull off that on Thor.If I remember correctly, Thor was able to interfere w/ Teleportation by imploding it.If SS is trying to Teleport to the past, Thor would just implode it with his Hammer Mjolnir.
Gladiator blasted Hulk at point blank range with a continouss eye beam. Hulk repeaired himself, walked through it and stopped it by reflecting it into his own eyes.
You left something out of that “feat”. Care to tell me what it is? (btw I already know, just seeing how much you know about your own character).
Rick stop saying what will happen, the sentry lost to hulk already.Imagining what the sentry should have done does not hold any weight when the character already lost to hulk.
pungadoo….Firelord lost to Spiderman. So Spiderman is more powerful than heralds of galactus…right? No…you’re just a moron. And Sentry and Hulk had a draw, you dimwit.
Oh, and Delta (the grandmaster of comic books according to Alberto and ShadowHunter) said and I quote from his earlier comment:
“The only two fights I think are conclusive losses for Thor against Hulk are both in HULK 2001. The first ended with Hulk practically smashing a mountain on Thor, and Thor doesn’t get up for a while, eventually Hulk runs off after getting impatient. Second time was after Thor brought Hulk back to Earth, Hulk sucker-punched Thor then beats the crap out of Thor. Sucker-punch, yeah, but a win’s a win. One could say a lot of fights had Hulk having the upper-hand, but end inconclusively. One fight someone considers a win for Hulk, all Hulk really accomplishes is punching Thor a far distance away before Hulk gets hit by a nuke.”
HAD TO DO A LOT OF DIGGING TO FIND THESE:
DELTA:
In AVENGERS #3, Thor deals with both Namor and Hulk, essentially stalemating them until they retreat. I feel that’s a win. It includes the two of them jump Thor and have the leverage advantage and barely manage to restrain Thor. Thor DOES need to use an energy blast from Mjolnir to get out, but I’d say that’s impressive since Hulk and Namor each had a had an arm of Thor’s to themselves, each using both their arms to hold one arm, AND like I said before, had the leverage advantage, and were barely able to restrain Thor. The fight doesn’t last much longer after this until they retreat.
In THOR #489 Thor fights Hulk in Hel. I actually got the determination of this win for Hulk from that Hulk site Willie quoted from earlier. It didn’t make it clear HOW Thor won, but considering the bias the guy on that site has, like he doesn’t include Superman’s win over Hulk in DC/MARVEL a win because it was a “lame fan voted contest” and complained how short it was despite being the main event, even AFTER he admits his bias for Hulk, he actually states that Hulk LOST and says himself that Superman probably should win, he doesn’t include it as a win for either. And a fight between Silver Surfer and Hulk, he did NOT count it as a win for Surfer because it “wasn’t much of a fight.” Surfer beat Hulk in one panel. And there’s numerous examples of him counting it as a win for Hulk when the fights were draws and as draws for Hulk when Hulk lost. So I’m going to take his word that Thor lost, considering the bias for Hulk. BERSERKR said he has every issue of THOR and all the Thor appearances in JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY, so you could ask him for the scans, I’d like to see them myself.
In the issue I lack the reference for, I saw a scan of Thor putting up a vortex/force-field to keep Hulk at bay while he spoke with Odin. Hulk could NOT get through it, and I’d consider that a win for Thor.
And in HULK 2001, that annual had three fights between Thor and Hulk. The first and last I’d say are decisive victories for Hulk, the ONLY times I’ve seen a conclusive win for Hulk. The second fight, Thor knocks Hulk out with a lightning bolt. Then Thor carries off Hulk to bring them both back to Earth.
Realy thats why the sentry was knocked out.Last time I checked when a opponent is unable to keep fighting and the other one can.THat means you LOST.
“It is apart of basic physics that in zero gravity one can “swim” by moving ones limbs to propel yourself, Hulk is perfectly capable of doing this, and due to his ever increasing strength he can do so at an astonishing rate, I have covered this before…”
NO ITS NOT. You’re truly are impaired, aren’t you? You can swim in a space shuttle in zero gravity…WHERE THERE IS AIR!!!!! No in empty space which is a vacuum. GOD!
“Realy thats why the sentry was knocked out.Last time I checked when a opponent is unable to keep fighting and the other one can.THat means you LOST.”
No I didn’t lose. I wasn’t in the fight, moron. it was two made up characters in a comic book. And Rob Reynolds was knocked out. Not sentry. Fool.
Again, according to pungadoo and Fury, if Character A beats character B, A is more powerful. So I guess a python is more powerful than the Hulk.
I love how this guy is quoting greg pak, like that means shit.
You want a quote, STAN LEE said Thor is Marvel’s equivalent to Superman (i.e. the most powerful character). Quotes don’t mean shit. Even from Stan Lee.
Rick was that a serious question? lol I was applying that logic to the sentry/hulk fight.
Rick they do in a debate other wise we will have to make up stuff like you.Lol
Many of you noticed that some blurbs have changed, and the order of the list is also altered. The list is still a work in progress. Probably at the end of March we’ll have a final version. I’ve been working with Delta on the list (Especially in regards to the ordering) and I think he agrees with it, except I think he’d obviously prefer Superman ahead of Thor). The only question I have personally is whether Superman should be ahead of Silver Surfer or not. I’m not convinced either way yet.
In regards to Sentry and Captain Marvel, I personally believe Sentry should be higher, but Delta convinced me to put Captain Marvel ahead of him. As for the Hulk, Delta and I both agree that there’s not a chance of him making the list. Sure, he can beat some heroes on this list, but only when those heroes ignore their other powers and just slug it out with the Hulk. That’s the update for now. Talk to you guys later. Alberto and President Steve, I’d like to hear your opinions on the list’s order especially. I’m 95% sure of it, but wouldn’t mind some opinions. I’ll be checking back in later this week.
@ Rick
Here’s the scan you were talking about of Hulk unable to get through Thor’s force-field.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir38-Forcefield.jpg
However, his most powerful force-field was strong enough to contain a life bomb capable of destroying a fifth of the Marvel universe.
That makes no sense zeromage Sentry toughest battle( which he lost fair and square)was against hulk yet the hulk does not belong on this list.SUPERMAN’s best power is his superstrength and durablity.Correct me if im wrong and the hulk has the potential to surpas him.IN fact the hulk as stated in an earlier comic that I posted before stated that hulk had no limit to his POWER in fact has greater feats than half the characters up their yet hulk belongs no where up there to you.
Zero : If Thor was able to beat Silver Surfer with only pure strenght, it makes no doubt that Superman can beat him too since he’s ahead of Thor in that domain.
Not just to Zeromage, but to me, and also Delta, and I suspect Alberto as well. And Sentry stalemated Galactus, so Hulk was far from his most powerful opponent. Unless you think Hulk > Galactus (you probably do).
Hulk definitely does not belong on this list.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3324/scan0003dl7.jpg
^ That’s what happened when the void attacked Hulk. Broke every bone in his body. Hahaha
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8312/scan0002yd5.jpg
Remember when Wolverine kicked the shit out of the Hulk?
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6695/wolverine47010gs0.jpg
GReg pak wrote wwhulk was more powerful than any mortal and some imortals.So how can you leave him out I rest my case.
Rick do you remeber when hulk ripped wolverine in half.You must have a short memory.
This should put to rest any doubts about Hulk vs Sentry. BB’s whisper broke EVERY BONE in poor Hulk’s body. Here’s what BB’s whisper does to Sentry:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Sentry/Feats/Durability/Black%20Bolt/1.jpg
Pungadoo do you remember that he did that in ULTIMATES…fucking moron.
That was in the Ultimate universe. Adamantium is not as strong as it is in the 616 universe.
Rick you think wolverine can beat hulk and you call me a moron.lol
Also, Thor was able to ripped through adamantium in the 616 (he was completely tied up in it). Now that’s an impressive feat.
I THINK Wolverine can beat Hulk???? Hahaha…It happened, kid. Now go cry about it.
And actually it was bone claw Wolverine that beat Hulk…not even with adamantium.
@Rick
Stop disrespecting characters by showing low end feats only, That is one of the things that makes people loosign respect for you.
Make a smart case
use at least average feats and stop it with the low end feats.
I’ll get back later with my take on this
Silver Surfer turns an ashtray into Gold
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7476/silversurfer01507transmtk0.jpg
Reminds me of a story in Greek Mythology.
OOPS! Sorry!Forgot to include these.
Transmutes Legacy and the Nega Bands to trap them in his surfboard
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8547/silversurfer199612217bh0.jpg
Silver Surfer has a Personal Jail.lol
“Solitary Confinement for you.”
Rebuilds city
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9320/ssenslavers74sc7.jpg
I think this is an example of time rewind.This reminds me of a certain Anime.
Escapes Soul World(inside the Soul Gem)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5941/silversurfer198800821esvf7.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7686/silversurfer198800822eslx8.jpg
Resist soul absorption by Soul Gem
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3440/silversurfer198801619soxn0.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8549/silversurfer198801620sohi5.jpg
Surfer time travels to prevent the birth of Overlord
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2052/fm198000635aa2.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/781/fm198000636ad3.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5586/fm198000637endzv8.jpg
Whoah!!!Imagine Silver Surfer Traveling to the Past to prevent the birth of Clark Kent(aka Superman).
Que BGM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCZ6h28mixI
Silver Surfer:”I’ll be back.”
Silver Surfer should be ahead of Superman.
Reporter : Nop. With everything you posted, I still highly doubt Surfer could beat Superman in a 1vs1 fight.
This is for President Steve who stated I have no right giving my opinion since I didnt know anything about black bolt. That was my point!!! No one knows anything about black bolt. He just isnt popular enough to be on this list. Believe me, there is a whole list of superheroes who no longer exist that would whup ass on their entire stupid top 10 list. Molecule man (secret wars) was the one I mentioned but he blows, and no longer exists to my knowlege.
They are always trying to come up with new “strongest” heroes. The Rulk is the newest example and I gaurantee he won’t be around in 10 years. Everyone is so big on Sentry……he blows to. He has only been around since 2000. Say bye to him to. The only people that fall for these new dumbass superheroes are the real comic geeks. My list is still the best.
1.Superman
2.Hulk
3.Thor
4.Silver Surfer
Now you may be able to come up with someone like jerkmyself man who made 4 appearenced in Marvel 20 years ago and has defeated all 4 of these guys but who cares….no one will know who the hell your talking about.
Steve, I notice all the links you posted showing black bolt beating the Hulk were all from the 70′s. NO WAY THAT IS HAPPENING NOW!!!! They write the Hulk a lot more powerful than they did then. In the DVD Hulk VS, he destroys thor. In the ultimate avengers he totally crushes all of the Avengers. It goes in ebbs and flows. Supes was a lot more powerful but they couldnt write for him so they made him weaker but he will be back. Right now with his movies and Dvd’s out, they write the Hulk a lot stronger, so Black bolts gay power of screeching wont cut it at all.
Almost forgot, that is such a queer power. They had a guy in the movie “Push” have the same power and it was done right. Black bolt is so stupid. Hey, if you like him so much, wait for his movie to come out……………ya right.
OK, first things first
Franklyn Richards:
Franklin Richards should be #1 on the list, He does not qualify as a Cosmic Being and also He does not qualify as a Sky Father and I quote Zeromage:
“First we excluded all super villains, this is heroes only, next we eliminated all exorbitantly overpowered cosmic beings (Phoenix, Odin, or the Highfather). And finally we ignored all heroes that would be considered ‘normal’ but have similar powers as those listed below.”
Franklin Richards is just a mutant and by this standards He should be #1 because He can affect reality in a Cosmic Level. I concede that He does not control his power and this could be a drawback for him. But none the less, He qualifies as a Superhero and easily as a kid He could be the most powerful Superhero OF ALL TIME.
Reality manipulation in a cosmic level sounds to me as Thanos with the IG. AND HE IS JUST A MUTANT.
The Sentry:
I have mix stances for him.
One is that this “new” Sentry is hardly a Superhero, He is more like a villain now, Also IF according to Dark Avengers the Sentry can own Molecule Man, Then Simply, He should be #1 or 2 if you consider Franklin Richards. Or to make it more simple Just get him out of the list for being Ubber powerful and not being sure if he is Galactus or God
(AKA COSMIC BEING)also like I mentioned before I’m not even sure if He is a Hero anymore.
Spiderman saying that The Sentry just stalemate Galactus it should be taken as “allegedly”, because there is NO PROOF of this being true, besides the fact that the tale was told by the sentry to Spiderman and an agoraphobic schizophrenic is not to be trusted telling the truth.
Having touched the Sentry subject it also leads to my next point, THE HULK:
First things first with the Hulk. The new Sentry is not the same as WWH Sentry, So don’t even think to bring this up on an argument.
Hulk by all rights could take on all the guys on the current list.
I do not doubt that, While Zeromage could argue that If OUR LIST HEROES fight smart they could take out the Hulk fast, before He “HULKS UP”. The fact is, that MOST HEROES IN THIS LIST DO NOT FIGHT SMART USUALLY AND a lot of them, as seen in canon comics, Do not approach the Hulk in a smart way, which should be 1,000 yards away.
So this gives the Hulk a clear advantage while fighting any guy here.
I have no doubt that after any of the list heroes is on the ropes against the Hulk, THEN they will start fighting smart, but then You have to ask yourself, Will that be enough by then? Is Hulk still on a manageable power level for our hero to take him out?
Who do I believe will try to slug out the Hulk?
Thor He has always done it
GL Hal Jordan as cocky as He is, I have no doubt He will fail to fight in a smart way against the Hulk
Martian Manhunter is out of the fight if the Hulk lilts a match and believe me, this two guys fighting I’m sure there is going to be plenty of fires around for Hulk to cook some Martian
The Sentry it has been shown He like to engage the Hulk in a slug feast
Flash, Dr. Stranger, Black Bolt, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel and Superman will tend to take a smarter approach against the Hulk, Well I’m not sure about Superman and Captain Marvel.
If THOR, GL, MMH, THE SENTRY, SUPERMAN OR CAPTAIN MARVEL, DO NOT take the smart approach against the Hulk, and try to punch their way against the Hulk, The only ones that I can see being unable to compensate for their mistake of trying to physically overcome the Hulk are GL, MMH.
The Sentry? Maybe
Thor, Superman and Captain Marvel will have more than enough power left, to correct their mistake.
So yes, while an argument can be made that the heroes from this list, IF they fight smart, they will win against the Hulk, but how many times do We see this heroes fighting smart?
I have to agree with Paul, That the Hulk is being portayed as more powerful recently and it might be Marvel apporach of saying HULK is the strongest there is
Hulk has defeated Thor in recent years more than the other way arround
The fight on heroes reborn went to Hulk, and that is canon, because the heroes from the reborn universe came back, Hulk/Maestro stalemate the berserkers rage also.
This has actually make me rethink my whole approach to the Hulk, because maybe He is not as hopeless as We might think He is.
I do however actually not consider Hulk as powerful as Thor, but certatly a match for Thor, if Thor does not fight smart againt the Hulk, which He tends to do a lot.
Silver Surfer has always approached the Hulk in a smarter manner.
@ShadowHunter
I just posted Silver Surfer traveling to the past to change the future.This is an example of pulling off a Terminator Style of beating his opponent.He can pull off a Terminator on Superman.Killing Kal El in the Past and its good bye Present Day Superman.
Que Terminator BGM
PEACE!!!!!!!
If He can do that, then He should be ahead of Thor
Also on this regard Flash should be #1 ahead of SS
Flash can travel in time faster than SS, Flash can go to the past before SS got his powers from Galactus and kill SS, he even can go in the past and kill Galactus when He was only Galan
Then by Chronal manipulation spots are as follows
Flash Wally or Barry
SS
Reed Richards
Thor
Outsmarting a character does not mean your more powerful then that character.You guys are hypocrites one of you said the hulk was weak for not using his power and out smarting juggs.Then you say the other charcthers that lost to hulk should have tried to out smart hulk insted of matching power standing toe to toe with him.LOL I thought this was a dabate about who was the most powerful not who can fight the most safe.LOL if all the comic charcthers fought like that no one would buy them.Imagine superman using his brain against the hulk Lol. Sure he would win easy if he flew out of space miles in the sky where hulk could not reach him and blasted him with his laser vision then he ran every time using superspeed to run away from hulk the whole fight. No one would read it, there is a reason every charcther slugs it out with hulk .THE writers write them that way becuse everbody WANTS TO SEE THEM SLUG IT OUT.IF your trying to find out who is the most powerfull then its pretty obviuos who should be up there,the hulk should.But it seems like you guys are looking for who fight’s the smartest.
I think White Tiger should be #1 on the list.She totaly rocks!
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I also think Batman should be 2nd on the list.
@Pungado
I agree with you partially
Intellgence is a big factor onto determine who COULD or HAS better chances to WIN
Agree that being smarter does not mean more powerful
I can see Hulk defeating most of the characetrs in this list, except for a few of them.
Being more powerful does not mean you will always be victorious.
Like I said, A LOT of characters in this list will take the Hulk head on at the beginning, NOT ALL of them have enough power to correct that mistake.
Alberto
I dont think hulk can beat all of them.THE point im tyring to make is this list is not about who can beat who this list is about who is powerful.And hulk has displayed way better feats of power than half of them on this list.Now if the list was about who can beat who then that is another story but this list is about who is powerful.Maybe they should change the name of the list to who is the better fighter.
Is sentry stronger than hercules?
Alberto : I’m sorry but Franklin Richards is too powerfull for this list. Why do you think that Zeromage never added Sodam Yat + Ion?
There is someone who NEEDS to be on the list and take Doctor Strange place : Doctor Fate.
@Alberto
SS wouldn’t able to pull off that on Thor.If I remember correctly, Thor was able to interfere w/ Teleportation by imploding it.If SS is trying to Teleport to the past, Thor would just implode it with his Hammer Mjolnir.