This is for all of those guys who think that Galactus is omnipotent
As stated in the ORIGIN OF GALACTUS
“A LIVING ORGANISM WHO POSSESSES THE MATCHLESS POWER AND RAGING APPETITE OF A GALAXY, BUT HE SHALL BE MORE THAN A GALAXY…HE SHALL BE A GALACTIC RAVAGER…HE SHALL BE GALACTUS”
1) Sentry (Power of a million exploding suns)
2) Thor
3) Silver Surfer
4) Superman
5) Captain Marvel
6) The Flash
7) Green Lantern Orion
9) Black Bolt
10) Sersei
No my friend you are wrong unlees show me with scans otherwise.
Galactus is galaxy buster, but not universe Buster. If he were universe buster, he should not get defeated by the infinti gauntlet or the heart of the universe in “the end” saga.
Galactus with out weapons cannot destroy the universe.
“Gladiator is a copy of Superman 10X. He can move 100X the speed of light, survive a supernova and punch through a planet”
Marvel only reader!!! We have shown at least 2 scans of Superman traveling in space at least at 1,000 of times the speed of light. the actual feat was:
From the Vega system to earth in 10 minutes
that is 175,000,000 x speed of light
Gladiator 10x speed of ligth LOL
punch through a planet? been there done that
What about shatering reality, with the SHOCKWAVE of his punches?
or PULVERIZING, YES P-U-L-V-E-R-A-I-Z-I-N-G the shadow moon that was traveling at 7,614,000 km/h and weight 81 billion tons. Superman PULVERIZED
AS IN DUST the whole moon.
Will
Dude are so Totally wrong, (lol), really not funny. In every crossover even DC admit the Hulk could hold his own against Superman and in one crossover the stated that Hulk would get to a point where Superman would not be able to handle him. SO your statement “SUPERMAN COULD FUCK HULKS SHIT UP HARDCORE IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW STRONG HE CAN GET.” Not true.
I am OLD and WISE!!!!!!!!!!!! from the time of delta the great. Now listen to me no one knows what “the hell” The Sentries powers are. But a good question is why isnt “proffesor x” higher up?
And for goods sake Thors a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
an object mass of 81 billion tons traveling at 7,614,000 km/h
F=MA
Make the calculations and the result is the force of the object, not the force of Superman. Superman went higher than that in order to PULVERIZE the thing.
That OBJECT gets, stopped in it’s tracks and PULVERIZED by Superman’s Infinite mass punch.
I don’t care if you are a God or not, or if you are infinite strong in theory. A punch of that magnitude
should put Superman in the 1st spot. If this does not convince Zero, nothing will.
Zero, do the math
81 billion tons multiplied by 7,614,000 = the force of the shadow moon.
Superman not only stopped the shadow moon, HE PULVERIZED THE THING!!!
This is a missunderstanding that people has about Superman. Superman lives in a crystal world, He holds back by instinct. That is why people think Supergirl is stronger. But they forget that Superman Holds back, is not that He can’t do it, is just that He holds back. When required, he travels at that speed. Galdiator on the other hand was raised to exploit his power. He goes all out. Superman does not.
Superman’s feats , make Gladiator feats look like a baby Superman.
Gladiator powers seems to depend on his confidence level, that is as easy as to make fun of his mohawk to start defeating him. Plus he lost against canon ball. canonball is a street level character.
While Gladiator may seem powerful in Marvel, he is not as powerful as Superman, The Sentry or Captain Marvel
But like I already said like 10 times before, Kallark can come in at 100 times light speed and just tap them, and the inertia will launch them to their doom, maybe not supes but it’ll still catch his ass off guard, and sentry can’t even fly close to as fast as Gladiator or Supes, and marvel is just an dumbass he could use his sensing power of whatever, and he wouldn’t be able to pick up on Kallark until he was already on him.
1. Thor
He has been stated numerous times to be Marvel’s most powerful hero (Stan Lee even said he made Thor to be Marvel’s #1 heavy hitter). The Silver Surfer himself has stated the power cosmic is no match for the Odin Force. Also, we recently have heard Thor state that he’s been holding back for most of his career. The guy has too many different powers and too many ways to beat an opponent. From brute force, to magic, to energy blasts, to battle field removal. (Superman has no true BFR ability). Thor’s magic gives him a distinct edge over Superman as well.
2. Silver Surfer
If it wasn’t for Thor constantly beating this guy, he might be #1 on the list. He’s FAST, and he has so many different powers. He can basically do almost anything he wants.
3. Superman
It was a tough call to place Superman ahead of Sentry. But I think Superman is more mentally tough than Sentry, even though on paper, Sentry’s powers should give him a huge advantage over Superman. He’s behind Surfer because Surfer could just turn the sun’s radiation (the source of Superman’s powers) into Kryptonite radiation. And he would know about his weakness also because he does have that ability. (See his conversation with Gladiator).
4. Sentry
If he wasn’t such a mental case, he’d have a good case for being #2 or even #1 if Thor hadn’t beatn him too. (he also KILLED him in a What If). Its clear Marvel wants Thor ahead of Sentry.
Actually, Gladiator stated his confidence level was very high. And also, if you didn’t know, Thor has defeated him 2 other times (one time was when it was a much weaker version of Thor). Also, what part about Rulk stating “Thor could have killed me” don’t you understand. Again, even Delta admitted that much. (although Delta does hate Hulk and all versions of him).
Not only that, but we are dealing with a guy who has KILLED the Silver Surfer and KO’ed a Watcher. A guy who is pretty much pure PIS.
And if you wanna talk about times Superman has lost in PIS I can name you a million of them. Except I don’t bother because its called PIS, you dimwit.
I must admit I nearly tore the comic in two when Red Hulk broke green Hulk’s arm and choked him unconscious. Then knocking out the Watcher. Beheading Terrax. Breaking Silver Surfer’s neck. Yes, these things actually happen.
“Actually, Gladiator stated his confidence level was very high”
That is a LIE!!!
Nowhere in Thor V2 #33, #34 AND #35 Gladiator states that he has a high confidence level.
“Alberto continues to show nothing but half fights, always leaving out critical information.”
Besides acusing me of hidding critical information which is a practice you perform pretty well you are changing the facts in the story. I wonder if you actually own those comics
This is Thor getting DEFEATED by Gladiator after the blitz attack and then been saved by Amanda and Tarene. Since Thor lost his hammer he was KO as Jake. Gladiator WON that ROUND and will have win the fight if it not were because of the two girls
In all fairness, Alberto, don’t you always state when Superman lost he was less powerful than he is now? Well, Thor no longer is tied to Jake Olson. So that fight took place when Thor was MUCH less powerful than he is now. Also, Thor did state later in that issue that he was holding back the entire time against Gladiator. Also, Thor did come back and win, even though he was less powerful than the current Thor.
So really, not sure what that Gladiator fight proves.
Also, he was only KO’ed when he lost his hammer because it turned him back to Jake Olson, not because of overwhelming physical force. Gladiator won with a plot device. This plot device no longer exists. When the fight came down to who would win in a physical fight, Thor won SOUNDLY. And Gladiator admitted that Thor was more powerful than he was. Gladiator KNOWS he is faster than Thor. Yet, Gladiator admitted Thor was still more powerful anyway. Now imagine what he would say about the current Thor?
As for Hercules, Herc has some incredible feats. He has lifted the entire universe. But really, Thor has Herc outclassed in every way. But I see this as pretty analogous to the Superman/Captain Marvel situation. In my opinion Superman outclasses Cap in every way, but Cap always gives Supes a hard time, even though in my opinion there is no way that Cap’s feats match those of Supes. The writers make them into rivals though. In the same way, writers like to make Herc and Thor rivals because they are both mythological characters. Really we all know Thor would crush Herc. but Herc gets away with things against Thor that no other character could.
Agreed, I believe Thor is more powerful now than back then with plot device OF, but still does not change the fact.
Since I agree to this, can anyone of you grab SOME recent issues of Superman and read them?
I happen to own the issues of the fight and Gladiator NEVER stated to be in a high level of confidence.
While I know that Thor has defeated Gladiator, Herc, Mongose and The Sentry (in a what if), and that of course He is more POWERFUL than them.
I just pointed out that Thor has problems with superspeed and even worse if is combined with super strenght, Then Rick as always, deny the facts.
It has been showed more times than not , that Thor has that problem.
It does not matter if he wins in the end, he still has problems handling superspeed.
I know He satated that He was holding back, like I told you I have the issue!
That does not change the fact, That Gladiator defeated him in less than a MIN.
Against Herc, He did not hold back and I know Herc is no chump, the same goes for Gladiator. Gladiator is no chump, He is a third string character in Marvel, and Usually looses because of this, But He is no chump.
“So really, not sure what that Gladiator fight proves”
That Thor has problems with Superspeed and worse if combined with Superstrenght, more times than not.
“Also, he was only KO’ed when he lost his hammer because it turned him back to Jake Olson, not because of overwhelming physical force”
It sure looked to me that Gladiator with his overwhelming physical force make Thor to loose the grip in his mallet and that is why He was able to kick it. Now correct me if I’m wrong. Thor has to be 1 minute with out his hammer to become human right?
When he landed on the truck he became human, does that mean that He was 1 minute flying KO’ed?
“plot device”
How did they get the mallet back? PIS?
“Gladiator KNOWS he is faster than Thor. Yet, Gladiator admitted Thor was still more powerful anyway. Now imagine what he would say about the current Thor”
Third string Superman clone in Marvel VS one of the most recognized Marvel characters. Talk about a fair fight. If Zero claims flagship character, this one is even worse.
“But basically Gladiator got the better of Thor’s 1 min curse thus winning. I actually hate to be on Rick’s side, but I had to point that out”
You are on his side, always!…
That is OK, you like Thor better
“Herc”
I agree with you
Question for you President
Does Gladiator states that He has High level of confidence ANYWHERE in the comic?
Just because I agree that Thor would win, doesn’t mean I agree with why he thinks so. But I’m honestly not sure if Gladiator said that his confidence is high or not, since I haven’t read the comic in a while. If you say he didn’t, I would believe you, as I don’t think you’d lie about it.
Just because the hammer was away from Thor, doesn’t mean he was KO’ed. That curse came into play a lot back then. It was a way that people could defeat Thor, and give Thor an “excuse” for winning. Even still, I’ve seen Gladiator speed blitz Thor when that curse was no longer a factor, and Thor won regardless.
And like I said, even with the curse, Thor still managed to win that fight in the end. When he stopped holding back he absolutely crushed Gladiator, curse or no curse.
Yes, you’re right though, superspeed is something Thor has trouble with. Superman does have trouble with magic though.
Also, I agree, Superman is much more powerful now than he used to be. Superman is no push over. I definitely think him and Thor are in the same league. But I think Thor has a slight edge. Its perfectly reasonable for you, or anyone else to disagree with that though. Now, if you told me Hulk was more powerful than Thor, then I’d simply laugh at you.
But an intelligent person can make a case for either Superman or Thor, and I wouldn’t laugh, because I think its debatable.
Yes, eventually, he will (or at least is a possible future)
Grant Morrison wrote all-star Superman with this in mind.
In all star Superman Lex Luthor “poisons” Superman’s cell so Superman is “dying” of cancer, but the true is that Superman is evolving into Superman Prime. Before his “death”, he has to achieve 12 incredible feats, his last feat is to repair the Sun from the inside because Solaris poisons the Sun, So he has to go and live on the sun. after that He is supossed to create the super sun, when He crates the Super sun, is when he is going to become Superman Prime. In DC 1,000.00
Superman is emerging from the Super Sun, Solaris tries to kill him, with a “Kryptonite” fragment, what Solaris does not know is that Supermas does not have the Kryptonite weakness since the events with Luthor and that the “Kryptonite” Solaris is using is actually a GL ring. Centuries Super Sun diped Superman and the GL ring make possible for Superman to become the second most powerful being in the universe.
Superman created the Super sun , because He realized that our regular sun energy does not process at peak in the kryptonian body. The super sun energy does process at 100% in kryptonian DNA
Check the power level of Superman one million, not to be confused with Superman prime one million.
Superman one million punched his way trough centuries, he did this because he was weak to fly in time. and was getting weaker because he was away from the Super sun. Plus Superman one million has also 5th dimmension imp powers.
Our Superman is still a baby Superman
If you want to have an Idea of how powerful they are it will o like this
Modern Superman
PC Superman
Superman One million
Superman Prime One million
From PC Superman and up is already too powerful to be on the list.
I don’t even think that Rune King Thor will be as powerful as Superman Prime One million.
Superman Prime One Million is only Second to the presence. being second to the presence it means in DC that you are above The Spectre and Mr Myxypzltk.
I don’t think Rune King Thor is above The Living Tribunal (but correct me if I’m wrong)
And the Living Tribunal is the equivalent of the Spectre in Marvel
No The Living Tribunal is more powerful then the Spectre.
Living Tribunal- abilities directly from Marvel Website-Omnipotent and Omniscient, possessing virtually limitless power the Living Tribunal can survey the entire multiverse at once, obliterate planets or suns at will, and form impenetrable barriers around worlds or even whole universes
Spectre- abilities Directly from DC website-Omnipotence: Divine Wrath: As a spiritual entity, the Spectre cannot be slain in the conventional sense, though he can be destroyed by sufficiently powerful means.
Spectre-WeaknessesSufficiently Powerful Magic: The Spectre can be injured or even slain by sufficient magic force, most notably the Spear of Destiny or a fully empowered Eclipso.
Divine Limitations: The Presence can impose limits on what the Spectre is able to do, as it did in binding the Spectre to a mortal host.
Divine Law: There are certain boundaries even the Spectre must not cross. If it does, it faces the punishment of the Presence. When the Spectre killed Nabu, it drew the Presence’s attention, and was recalled.
Finite Power: The Spectre is one of the most powerful magical forces in existence [1], but his power is not infinite. If the Spectre performs a sufficiently great act of magic, its power is lessened, and it becomes vulnerable to magic, for as long as the working is maintained. One example of this was the Spectre’s creation of a living body for Jim Corrigan.
This is for all of those guys who think that Galactus is omnipotent
As stated in the ORIGIN OF GALACTUS
“A LIVING ORGANISM WHO POSSESSES THE MATCHLESS POWER AND RAGING APPETITE OF A GALAXY, BUT HE SHALL BE MORE THAN A GALAXY…HE SHALL BE A GALACTIC RAVAGER…HE SHALL BE GALACTUS”
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/galactus.gif?t=1261036541
Galactus power level without weapons
Above Galaxy buster but below Universe buster
Universe buster power level should be
someone with the Infinity Gauntlet, the Beyonder, Anti-monitor, Zero hour Parallax, Desaak.
You get the picture
@Shadow Hunter, This list only excludes EXORBITANTLY OVERPOWERED cosmic beings. Silver Surfer is therefore eligible for the list.
Gladiator is a copy of Superman 10X. He can move 100X the speed of light, survive a supernova and punch through a planet.
Alberto: What is that statement about Galactus supposed to prove? Its nothing but hyperbole. Jeesh.
1) Sentry (Power of a million exploding suns)
Orion
2) Thor
3) Silver Surfer
4) Superman
5) Captain Marvel
6) The Flash
7) Green Lantern
9) Black Bolt
10) Sersei
@Kallark
I know it, somebody will say
“it’s a hyperbole”
No my friend you are wrong unlees show me with scans otherwise.
Galactus is galaxy buster, but not universe Buster. If he were universe buster, he should not get defeated by the infinti gauntlet or the heart of the universe in “the end” saga.
Galactus with out weapons cannot destroy the universe.
“Gladiator is a copy of Superman 10X. He can move 100X the speed of light, survive a supernova and punch through a planet”
Marvel only reader!!! We have shown at least 2 scans of Superman traveling in space at least at 1,000 of times the speed of light. the actual feat was:
From the Vega system to earth in 10 minutes
that is 175,000,000 x speed of light
Gladiator 10x speed of ligth LOL
punch through a planet? been there done that
What about shatering reality, with the SHOCKWAVE of his punches?
or PULVERIZING, YES P-U-L-V-E-R-A-I-Z-I-N-G the shadow moon that was traveling at 7,614,000 km/h and weight 81 billion tons. Superman PULVERIZED
AS IN DUST the whole moon.
Gladiator is Superman 10x, lol
FUUUUUNY
Superman can generate an infinite mass punch the same way Flash does, and is an infinite mass punch coming from SUPERMAN, not Flash.
Will
Dude are so Totally wrong, (lol), really not funny. In every crossover even DC admit the Hulk could hold his own against Superman and in one crossover the stated that Hulk would get to a point where Superman would not be able to handle him. SO your statement “SUPERMAN COULD FUCK HULKS SHIT UP HARDCORE IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW STRONG HE CAN GET.” Not true.
I’ll break it down simply:
1. Silver Surfer
2. Thor
3. Hulk
4. Sentry
5. Captain Marvel
6. Green Lantern
7. Martian Manhunter
8. Black Bolt
9. Wonder Woman
10. Superman
Haha…Explain to me how Sentry isn’t number 1!!!!!
Please I dare you.
He is Marvel’s #1 heavy hitter. Thor stands no chance against him.
I am OLD and WISE!!!!!!!!!!!! from the time of delta the great. Now listen to me no one knows what “the hell” The Sentries powers are. But a good question is why isnt “proffesor x” higher up?
gidi out
And for goods sake Thors a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone up for numbers on the shadow moon feat?
an object mass of 81 billion tons traveling at 7,614,000 km/h
F=MA
Make the calculations and the result is the force of the object, not the force of Superman. Superman went higher than that in order to PULVERIZE the thing.
That OBJECT gets, stopped in it’s tracks and PULVERIZED by Superman’s Infinite mass punch.
I don’t care if you are a God or not, or if you are infinite strong in theory. A punch of that magnitude
should put Superman in the 1st spot. If this does not convince Zero, nothing will.
Zero, do the math
81 billion tons multiplied by 7,614,000 = the force of the shadow moon.
Superman not only stopped the shadow moon, HE PULVERIZED THE THING!!!
This is the set up of the shadow moon feat
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/f_1m_350c884.jpg?t=1261095224
@Will
This is a missunderstanding that people has about Superman. Superman lives in a crystal world, He holds back by instinct. That is why people think Supergirl is stronger. But they forget that Superman Holds back, is not that He can’t do it, is just that He holds back. When required, he travels at that speed. Galdiator on the other hand was raised to exploit his power. He goes all out. Superman does not.
Superman’s feats , make Gladiator feats look like a baby Superman.
Gladiator powers seems to depend on his confidence level, that is as easy as to make fun of his mohawk to start defeating him. Plus he lost against canon ball. canonball is a street level character.
While Gladiator may seem powerful in Marvel, he is not as powerful as Superman, The Sentry or Captain Marvel
But like I already said like 10 times before, Kallark can come in at 100 times light speed and just tap them, and the inertia will launch them to their doom, maybe not supes but it’ll still catch his ass off guard, and sentry can’t even fly close to as fast as Gladiator or Supes, and marvel is just an dumbass he could use his sensing power of whatever, and he wouldn’t be able to pick up on Kallark until he was already on him.
@Will
Oh, I get what you are saying.
Yes, that is a posibility, that Gladiator could catch Superman off guard.
But I have not seen him doing what you are saying, not even when he fought against Thor. but he may be able to do it.
There is also another problem, that Gladiator is a “clone” character. and can’t be included on the list.
This is just to show how super speed is a problem for Thor
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1116/68035310hl6.jpg
He did not even saw that one coming
part 2
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo45/aarons24/Gladiator/vsglads1g0ra5pe.jpg
What about Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet? It was only temporary but he single-handedly took on most of the Marvel Universe by himself.
Here’s the panel right before the one I posted:
http://i18.tinypic.com/2yya2yh.png
(Notice, Thor said he was holding back before, because he thought Gladiator was brainwashed)
Here’s my thoughts:
1. Thor
He has been stated numerous times to be Marvel’s most powerful hero (Stan Lee even said he made Thor to be Marvel’s #1 heavy hitter). The Silver Surfer himself has stated the power cosmic is no match for the Odin Force. Also, we recently have heard Thor state that he’s been holding back for most of his career. The guy has too many different powers and too many ways to beat an opponent. From brute force, to magic, to energy blasts, to battle field removal. (Superman has no true BFR ability). Thor’s magic gives him a distinct edge over Superman as well.
2. Silver Surfer
If it wasn’t for Thor constantly beating this guy, he might be #1 on the list. He’s FAST, and he has so many different powers. He can basically do almost anything he wants.
3. Superman
It was a tough call to place Superman ahead of Sentry. But I think Superman is more mentally tough than Sentry, even though on paper, Sentry’s powers should give him a huge advantage over Superman. He’s behind Surfer because Surfer could just turn the sun’s radiation (the source of Superman’s powers) into Kryptonite radiation. And he would know about his weakness also because he does have that ability. (See his conversation with Gladiator).
4. Sentry
If he wasn’t such a mental case, he’d have a good case for being #2 or even #1 if Thor hadn’t beatn him too. (he also KILLED him in a What If). Its clear Marvel wants Thor ahead of Sentry.
I’ll finish my list. Later. Gotta go.
No mention of Dr. Manhattan?
what about en sab a nor
what about en sab a nor the great
“This is just to show how effective he is at handling speed.”
Maybe you missed the part where Thor said he “WAS HOLDING BACK” earlier because he thought Gladiator was brain washed.
what the hell does that have to do with en sa ba nor
Actually, Gladiator stated his confidence level was very high. And also, if you didn’t know, Thor has defeated him 2 other times (one time was when it was a much weaker version of Thor). Also, what part about Rulk stating “Thor could have killed me” don’t you understand. Again, even Delta admitted that much. (although Delta does hate Hulk and all versions of him).
Not only that, but we are dealing with a guy who has KILLED the Silver Surfer and KO’ed a Watcher. A guy who is pretty much pure PIS.
And if you wanna talk about times Superman has lost in PIS I can name you a million of them. Except I don’t bother because its called PIS, you dimwit.
PIS:
http://www.comicboards.com/app/image.php?msg=comicbattles-2009052021430053&att=RedHulk_vs_Surfer.jpg&fullsize=yes
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XMPh28LDNJ0/SntSJMb55EI/AAAAAAAAEqo/TtI_WlYd8eg/s400/rulk.JPG
I must admit I nearly tore the comic in two when Red Hulk broke green Hulk’s arm and choked him unconscious. Then knocking out the Watcher. Beheading Terrax. Breaking Silver Surfer’s neck. Yes, these things actually happen.
Tell me how fucking gay this shit is:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XMPh28LDNJ0/SntT29QMz7I/AAAAAAAAEqw/Q8g_6g8Hf18/s400/Hulk+%2312+011-12.JPG
BTW Rick
You left critical information out
in the fight against Gladiator Thor got KO and then he got saved by Tarane. Then Thor regain conciuos and resume the fight.
Gladiator with his superspeed KO Thor
Nuff said
@Rick
“Actually, Gladiator stated his confidence level was very high”
That is a LIE!!!
Nowhere in Thor V2 #33, #34 AND #35 Gladiator states that he has a high confidence level.
“Alberto continues to show nothing but half fights, always leaving out critical information.”
Besides acusing me of hidding critical information which is a practice you perform pretty well you are changing the facts in the story. I wonder if you actually own those comics
This is Thor getting DEFEATED by Gladiator after the blitz attack and then been saved by Amanda and Tarene. Since Thor lost his hammer he was KO as Jake. Gladiator WON that ROUND and will have win the fight if it not were because of the two girls
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/gladiatordefeatingThor.jpg?t=1261304952
In all fairness, Alberto, don’t you always state when Superman lost he was less powerful than he is now? Well, Thor no longer is tied to Jake Olson. So that fight took place when Thor was MUCH less powerful than he is now. Also, Thor did state later in that issue that he was holding back the entire time against Gladiator. Also, Thor did come back and win, even though he was less powerful than the current Thor.
So really, not sure what that Gladiator fight proves.
Also, he was only KO’ed when he lost his hammer because it turned him back to Jake Olson, not because of overwhelming physical force. Gladiator won with a plot device. This plot device no longer exists. When the fight came down to who would win in a physical fight, Thor won SOUNDLY. And Gladiator admitted that Thor was more powerful than he was. Gladiator KNOWS he is faster than Thor. Yet, Gladiator admitted Thor was still more powerful anyway. Now imagine what he would say about the current Thor?
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/5803/thorglads21wj.png
Here is where Thor says he was holding back.
But basically Gladiator got the better of Thor’s 1 min curse thus winning. I actually hate to be on Rick’s side, but I had to point that out.
As for Hercules, Herc has some incredible feats. He has lifted the entire universe. But really, Thor has Herc outclassed in every way. But I see this as pretty analogous to the Superman/Captain Marvel situation. In my opinion Superman outclasses Cap in every way, but Cap always gives Supes a hard time, even though in my opinion there is no way that Cap’s feats match those of Supes. The writers make them into rivals though. In the same way, writers like to make Herc and Thor rivals because they are both mythological characters. Really we all know Thor would crush Herc. but Herc gets away with things against Thor that no other character could.
@President Steve
Agreed, I believe Thor is more powerful now than back then with plot device OF, but still does not change the fact.
Since I agree to this, can anyone of you grab SOME recent issues of Superman and read them?
I happen to own the issues of the fight and Gladiator NEVER stated to be in a high level of confidence.
While I know that Thor has defeated Gladiator, Herc, Mongose and The Sentry (in a what if), and that of course He is more POWERFUL than them.
I just pointed out that Thor has problems with superspeed and even worse if is combined with super strenght, Then Rick as always, deny the facts.
It has been showed more times than not , that Thor has that problem.
It does not matter if he wins in the end, he still has problems handling superspeed.
I know He satated that He was holding back, like I told you I have the issue!
That does not change the fact, That Gladiator defeated him in less than a MIN.
Against Herc, He did not hold back and I know Herc is no chump, the same goes for Gladiator. Gladiator is no chump, He is a third string character in Marvel, and Usually looses because of this, But He is no chump.
“So really, not sure what that Gladiator fight proves”
That Thor has problems with Superspeed and worse if combined with Superstrenght, more times than not.
“Also, he was only KO’ed when he lost his hammer because it turned him back to Jake Olson, not because of overwhelming physical force”
It sure looked to me that Gladiator with his overwhelming physical force make Thor to loose the grip in his mallet and that is why He was able to kick it. Now correct me if I’m wrong. Thor has to be 1 minute with out his hammer to become human right?
When he landed on the truck he became human, does that mean that He was 1 minute flying KO’ed?
“plot device”
How did they get the mallet back? PIS?
“Gladiator KNOWS he is faster than Thor. Yet, Gladiator admitted Thor was still more powerful anyway. Now imagine what he would say about the current Thor”
Third string Superman clone in Marvel VS one of the most recognized Marvel characters. Talk about a fair fight. If Zero claims flagship character, this one is even worse.
“But basically Gladiator got the better of Thor’s 1 min curse thus winning. I actually hate to be on Rick’s side, but I had to point that out”
You are on his side, always!…
That is OK, you like Thor better
“Herc”
I agree with you
Question for you President
Does Gladiator states that He has High level of confidence ANYWHERE in the comic?
“That does not change the fact, That Gladiator defeated him in less than a MIN”
Hyperbole
I mede that up, is not clear how long they were fighting
“That does not change the fact, That Gladiator defeated him in less than a MIN”
Hyperbole
I made that up, is not clear how long they were fighting
Just because I agree that Thor would win, doesn’t mean I agree with why he thinks so. But I’m honestly not sure if Gladiator said that his confidence is high or not, since I haven’t read the comic in a while. If you say he didn’t, I would believe you, as I don’t think you’d lie about it.
Just because the hammer was away from Thor, doesn’t mean he was KO’ed. That curse came into play a lot back then. It was a way that people could defeat Thor, and give Thor an “excuse” for winning. Even still, I’ve seen Gladiator speed blitz Thor when that curse was no longer a factor, and Thor won regardless.
And like I said, even with the curse, Thor still managed to win that fight in the end. When he stopped holding back he absolutely crushed Gladiator, curse or no curse.
Yes, you’re right though, superspeed is something Thor has trouble with. Superman does have trouble with magic though.
Also, I agree, Superman is much more powerful now than he used to be. Superman is no push over. I definitely think him and Thor are in the same league. But I think Thor has a slight edge. Its perfectly reasonable for you, or anyone else to disagree with that though. Now, if you told me Hulk was more powerful than Thor, then I’d simply laugh at you.
But an intelligent person can make a case for either Superman or Thor, and I wouldn’t laugh, because I think its debatable.
Here’s my top ten most powerful superheroes list:
10) The Hulk
09) Captain Atom
08) Green Lantern
07) Flash
06) Wonder Woman
05) Martian Manhunter
04) Sentry
03) Silver Surfer
02) Superman
01) Thor
1. Rune King Thor
2. Superman Prime
3. Ion
4. Silver Surfer
5. Sentry
6. Captain Marvel
7. Dr. Strange
8. Wonder Woman
9. The Flash
10. World War Hulk
Yes, eventually, he will (or at least is a possible future)
Grant Morrison wrote all-star Superman with this in mind.
In all star Superman Lex Luthor “poisons” Superman’s cell so Superman is “dying” of cancer, but the true is that Superman is evolving into Superman Prime. Before his “death”, he has to achieve 12 incredible feats, his last feat is to repair the Sun from the inside because Solaris poisons the Sun, So he has to go and live on the sun. after that He is supossed to create the super sun, when He crates the Super sun, is when he is going to become Superman Prime. In DC 1,000.00
Superman is emerging from the Super Sun, Solaris tries to kill him, with a “Kryptonite” fragment, what Solaris does not know is that Supermas does not have the Kryptonite weakness since the events with Luthor and that the “Kryptonite” Solaris is using is actually a GL ring. Centuries Super Sun diped Superman and the GL ring make possible for Superman to become the second most powerful being in the universe.
Superman created the Super sun , because He realized that our regular sun energy does not process at peak in the kryptonian body. The super sun energy does process at 100% in kryptonian DNA
Check the power level of Superman one million, not to be confused with Superman prime one million.
Superman one million punched his way trough centuries, he did this because he was weak to fly in time. and was getting weaker because he was away from the Super sun. Plus Superman one million has also 5th dimmension imp powers.
Our Superman is still a baby Superman
If you want to have an Idea of how powerful they are it will o like this
Modern Superman
PC Superman
Superman One million
Superman Prime One million
From PC Superman and up is already too powerful to be on the list.
I don’t even think that Rune King Thor will be as powerful as Superman Prime One million.
Superman Prime One Million is only Second to the presence. being second to the presence it means in DC that you are above The Spectre and Mr Myxypzltk.
I don’t think Rune King Thor is above The Living Tribunal (but correct me if I’m wrong)
And the Living Tribunal is the equivalent of the Spectre in Marvel
I agree with Thor being number one. He is a Norse GOD afterall. Superman is powerful, but he is no God.
No The Living Tribunal is more powerful then the Spectre.
Living Tribunal- abilities directly from Marvel Website-Omnipotent and Omniscient, possessing virtually limitless power the Living Tribunal can survey the entire multiverse at once, obliterate planets or suns at will, and form impenetrable barriers around worlds or even whole universes
Spectre- abilities Directly from DC website-Omnipotence: Divine Wrath: As a spiritual entity, the Spectre cannot be slain in the conventional sense, though he can be destroyed by sufficiently powerful means.
Spectre-WeaknessesSufficiently Powerful Magic: The Spectre can be injured or even slain by sufficient magic force, most notably the Spear of Destiny or a fully empowered Eclipso.
Divine Limitations: The Presence can impose limits on what the Spectre is able to do, as it did in binding the Spectre to a mortal host.
Divine Law: There are certain boundaries even the Spectre must not cross. If it does, it faces the punishment of the Presence. When the Spectre killed Nabu, it drew the Presence’s attention, and was recalled.
Finite Power: The Spectre is one of the most powerful magical forces in existence [1], but his power is not infinite. If the Spectre performs a sufficiently great act of magic, its power is lessened, and it becomes vulnerable to magic, for as long as the working is maintained. One example of this was the Spectre’s creation of a living body for Jim Corrigan.
Rune King Thor is not as powerful as Living Tribunal.
@Darryl
That settles it for me.
I just wonder why do they(marvel and dc) always say that the LT and the Spectre are like the same in both universes.
Anyway. Both of them have gone toe to toe against universe buster forces and both have lost.
Thanks for the correction