As the avid Old-Wizard reader knows, a while back we released a “Top Ten Most Powerful Superheroes” list, and then last week we decided to defend some of our choices (especially in picking Thor as the number one most powerful superhero over Superman, which seemed to have angered many of our readers). You can read that article here. But as many emails pointed out last week, we never actually discussed why the Silver Surfer was lower than Thor on our list. Makes sense… Superman was number three on our list, while the Surfer was our number two pick. So this week we decided to break down the reasons why we chose to place Thor at number one on our most powerful superhero list over the Silver Surfer. This was actually the hardest decision that we had to make on the entire list, and we argued about it for hours (well, we’ve been arguing about this one since we were in high school) but we finally decided on making Thor the number one most powerful superhero of all time. And here are the reasons:
We could argue all day long about who has better powers, Thor or the Silver Surfer. One could bring up the fact that Thor has gone toe to toe with a Celestial, or how the Silver Surfer has defeated Primordial gods. But we would be doing that all day long. Truth be told, the two heroes are pretty much at the same power level. But when we actually read the comics where these two heavy weights have actually fought each other, we see a different story. Thor has consistently bested the Surfer when the two have fought.
Call it PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) if you want to, but Thor has defeated the Silver Surfer before on not just one, but several occasions. If you haven’t already, take a look at Silver Surfer #4, where Loki (Thor’s evil half brother) attempts to use the Silver Surfer to defeat Thor. He tricks the Surfer into attacking the god of thunder. During the fight, Loki even augments the Silver Surfer’s powers with his own, after which the Surfer says that he has never felt that powerful before. He also claims that Thor’s hammer is far more powerful than his own power cosmic. To quote the Silver Surfer himself, “I have seen his mallet’s magic, it is truly mightier than my cosmic force!” Also keep in mind that this comic was authored by none other than Stan Lee himself. It’s hard to find a higher authority about the Marvel Universe than that.
On another occasion (Warlock and Infinity Watch #23) Thor defeated the Silver Surfer AND Adam Warlock. This occurred AFTER Thor had already beaten Beta Ray Bill and the Silver Surfer. After Bill was knocked unconscious, the Silver Surfer stood alone and was defeated, until the arrival of Adam Warlock. The two teamed up, and together they also lost and were forced to retreat.
The evidence from the comic books themselves is clear. Every time they have faced off, Thor has defeated the Silver Surfer. Even when the Surfer’s powers were augmented, or when he had help from various allies, Thor has won. This by itself is strong evidence that Thor is more powerful than the Silver Surfer, despite what Wizard magazine says. Not only that, but Thor has even defeated a hungry Galactus (The Silver Surfer’s on again, off again master, and the one who bestowed the power cosmic to the Silver Surfer) all by himself, forcing the big G to retreat. Again, I stress that Galactus was hungry (as anyone reading this probably knows, he is far weaker the longer he has gone without devouring a planet) but even still, you’re never going to see Captain America or Spiderman defeat a hungry Galactus.
I misspell my cuss words, cause Im use to some sites automatically deleting posts, that have curse words in them. I don’t know everything or read all the issues. I take in all info whether from a comic or like Marvel Ultimate Alliance where Doom stealing Odin’s power had effect on the whole Universe didn’t make sense to me where he’s pretty powerful, not on the scale of Eternity, Infinity, Death, Galactus, Phoneix Force, and so forth.
Power Cosmic…..
I’d have to say you don’t seem to be grown. Not even being insulting now. Simply stating observations.
But Spider-Man and Captain America winning by…..energy? Only Cosmic Spider-Man, when he was what I’ve lately seen people refer to as “Captain Spideyverse” when he was a Captain Universe, is like the only one I know of who had energy blasts. Unless you mean plot-device weapons they put together or got access to. So please explain what you mean by “energy.”
On Juggernaut, he’s not the most ambitious type. He’s mostly just wanted “revenge” on his step-brother he was jealous of, I believe. Though he’s a pretty loyal friend, so yeah he’s going to follow Tom Cassidy. Who I guess isn’t the most ambitious either.
And yes I know characters increase in power over time. After CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, Superman used to be limited to lifting the Great Pyramid while focusing all his immediate and reserve solar energy, and now you’ve got him throwing beyond Earth’s gravity ships that are four times aircraft carriers, destroying moons with punches and holding a miniature black hole in his hand to stop it from increasing in size. Superman’s speed was also limited more towards super-sonic, like one showed him moving at 4 times the speed of sound, then he’s out-raced energy beams, been stated by Impulse to move at 99% of lightspeed, and multiple times flown multiple lightminute distances in less than the minutes light takes. One example had him going as much as roughly 3,000 times lightspeed. Also before this, he stated he was capable of deep space travel and only needed a starchart and directions to find Apokolips, though was unaware Apokolips was in another dimension. And he also went from surviving, but being knocked unconscious, by nuclear explosions, to shrugging off a nuke that destroyed most of an island…..while literally sitting in Kryptonite. And also surviving, but apparently getting a concussion from, an explosion that was equivalent to a “million nuclear explosions” or it might’ve even been a “million million.” Flash went from being limited to not far beyond sound to being capable of surpassing lightspeed by a great deal, and having multiple different abilities he could do like sap kinetic energy/inertia from an opponent, give moving objects inertia/velocity, being able to cause explosions when he phases, and more.
I wouldn’t say comics always contradict themselves, as much as being inconsistent. Sometimes even in the same story a character will be very inconsistent for the plot. From powers seeming to vary to Plot-Induced Stupidity. I would say Thing knocking-out Silver Surfer was more of a high-end feat for Thing. Norrin getting knocked-out by a brick is a bad showing. But the Black Panther thing? Yeah. An armbar will not work, even with perfect technique and ultimate leverage, against someone with THAT big a strength difference. I think it could work, at least in comics, with say the strength gap being Spider-Man level, but not with Rogue-level. Which is what I think Silver Surfer is at base-level.
She-Hulk beating Champion was her preparing for it. She trained in hand-to-hand combat and weight trained extensively in her normal human form so she had a big strength increase when she went into her She-Hulk form. I also know that Champion was beaten by Thanos, though it wasn’t a straight-up fight. I can’t recall what Thanos did, but I think it was using a different Infinity Gem than Champion had. Still, you said only Silver Surfer has beaten Champion, which is incorrect.
But were you saying She-Hulk didn’t effect Silver Surfer or was it Champion who didn’t knock-out Silver Surfer? The “She Hulk who has beaten Champion didn’t hurt SS when he punched him.” part wasn’t clear, as I believe She-Hulk’s also faced Silver Surfer and “he” couldn’t been a typo meant to be “she.” But if you’re referring to She-Hulk didn’t really effect Silver Surfer, and saying it was contradictory for her to beat Champion, she was essentially temporarily powered-up.
I think of classic Thor normally when I think of Thor, but I dunno if I’d say classic Thor is more powerful than modern Thor. Modern Thor has some level of access to the Odin-Force. It’s been REALLY inconsistent, I think only in his own title has he been shown to use it, and half the time his own writer forgets Thor has it. He might just give it to Baulder or someone trusted.
The misspelling cursing thing really makes you look like a retarded 14 year old.
And taking ALL information is a bad thing. The cartoons aren’t in continuity. So the HULK VS DVD is not cannon. It’s one thing to use that to strengthen examples from the comics. I’ve got a speech and what Superman did in JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED to reinforce Superman’s statement that he’s only hit someone as hard as he could twice. But that’s different from bringing up that JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED thing where he says he’s always holding back and feels like he’s in a world made of cardboard as my argument.
Video games are also a bad example, an even worse example than the cartoons or non-continuity comics(like the JUSTICE LEAGUE ADVENTURES comic DC made after the JUSTICE LEAGUE cartoon). Video games are an even worse example since they’ve got to balance things out to make the gameplay work. For example, Doctor Strange is one of the worst characters in that game since he’s got such weak striking, which does make sense. Yet, instead of compensating for that by giving him plenty of energy to use his powers, it’s used up quickly so I have to go back to striking again. If they allowed me to chose Body, Energy and Strike and whatever other basic attributes that increased as the character leveled-up, I would’ve really liked using Doctor Strange since I’d put almost all of his stat points into Energy. I don’t recall if they renamed that attribute or not from the X-MEN LEGENDS games, so I’m sticking to it being called “Energy.” But anyways, Thor doesn’t strike all that harder than Spider-Man in the game, and Spider-Man doesn’t strike all that harder than Captain America in the game, although that example is closer to the comics.
But Doctor Doom stole the power from Galactus just by using a machine he whipped-up with what technology he could get, in SECRET WARS, so I would think it’d be possible for Doctor Doom to steal Odin’s power with some mystical artifacts. And he’s a decently powerful mage and a prep-time freak on top of that.
LOL, you are just not familiar with different cultures I see. In Hip Hop America most English words are not spelled right on purpose. As we all know that are alot of dialects, accents and patios of the English language
I didn’t say Spidey or Cap had energy,I was just saying have they beaten people more powerful than them, like for example Spidey beaten Electro. They have beaten people who have stronger and better powers than them. We all know that Cap’s body was made to human perfection, but their was a time when he was amped up too. But Classic Cap has beaten others still too though.
In the games, they didn’t even give Spider Woman Strength features, but I guess they had enough people to do so. I was also not happy they didn’t have Hulk( the did have Bruce Banner at the Omega Base and a dying Hulk fighting Doom) and the Punisher.
Actually, Power Cosmic, I am familiar. Though I’m also familiar with most people around the age you seem to be, based on what you’ve said about when you read comics, to not act like that. Unless they’re REALLY ghetto. You didn’t seem ghetto, you seemed about 11 who learned swear words but didn’t want to get in trouble.
“When I was younger my character was Spiderman, I do remember him though he isnt what they call a ‘one man army’ but him and Captain America has defeated alot of people more powerful them whether by strength, speed durability, energy or all the above.”
That’s what you had said that made me think you talked about Spider-Man and Captain America using energy attacks. I was assuming you meant times they’ve used weapons for a plot-device or using something from the environment. It was just a bit confusing how your worded it.
In MARVEL: ULTIMATE ALLIANCE, they did have Hulk in their downloadable content. They’re supposed to have him as one of the playable characters off the disc, in the sequel. One of the features they’re implementing in the sequel is both promising, and stupid. At least depending on the characters. It’s two characters working together for an “ultimate attack.” Like giving Daredevil speed to cause a whirlwind to throw enemies up in the air, I think it was while Iron Man blasts the enemies. Also the hamster ball thing with Invisible Woman and Hulk teaming-up for their “ultimate attack” just seems stupid to me.
This is complete ridiculousness. Listen you Thor fanboys – I’m quite sure Hulk is 5-2 all time against Thor.
What is my point? Records don’t necessarily mean anything, because I believe Thor is written as a more powerful character than Hulk.
So unless you recognize that records do not necessarily indicate “who is better” than your stupid argument is moot because then boring Hulk is better than Thor or SS.
Something to keep in mind: SS NEVER goes all out. This is a huge rarity for him, and if he does it is against beings he wants to permanently extinguish (Aegis and Tenebrous ring a bell?).
He is constantly written as having his personality hold him back (because he is so “noble” and nice). You think he would ever go all out against a “hero” like Thor? Unlikely. So his 0-3 record against Thor that you Thor-boys keep citing does not impress me at all.
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While it’s true that power doesn’t equal victory, the article’s on Thor VS Silver Surfer. Fight records to have a part over who’s more powerful, though not the entirety.
And actually I think Thor’s record against Hulk is better than that.
And Silver Surfer has won every time against Hulk when there’s been a conclusive winner(several times they’ve fought without any actual win), save the last time where Surfer was cut-off from Power Cosmic.
And actually Surfer DOES have a win against Thor, though it was essentially a sucker-punch, and while I’d have to check to confirm, there were out-side circumstances beyond Thor not being aware.
Oh and C, after doing a little research, it actually looks like it’s THOR who has the majority of wins over Hulk, and two clear draws. Those draws are notable as most of their fights are too inconclusive to even be draws, but the two clear ones, Thor doesn’t have Mjolnir. And all the Hulk fanboys claim Thor would be utterly owned and have no chance against Hulk if Mjolnir were out of the equation.
LOL. How does Thor have the majority over the Hulk? Have you ever read a comic book before? Oh, and pretty sure if the Thing can beat the sh** out of the Silver Surfer, so can the Hulk.
Thor has the majority over Hulk. Hulk fanboys take some fights that don’t end conclusively as wins. And some really stupid examples.
And yes, I’ve read many comic books.
And Silver Surfer has utterly owned Hulk multiple times, and the ONLY time Hulk has ever won, Surfer was massively weakened, and Hulk only managed to win due to help.
LOL. You’re fucking stupid. The THING has defeated the Silver Surfer. And Hulk has owned the Thing EVERY time they have fought. And you saying Thor has the majority of wins over Thor means nothing you ass clown. I’ve never even seen Thor have an advantage over the Hulk, even when he’s had help.
Yeah, I’m the fucking stupid one, yet you aren’t aware that Surfer’s owned Hulk at least three times.
And Thor’s never had the advantage?
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%201/3.jpg
What does that look like? That’s Thor winning the fight, not having the advantage. And the record between the two is 4-2-2 in Thor’s favor.
Oh also Rich, for Hulk having owned Thing every single time, you’re rather unaware. While Hulk has the majority of wins, you’re so damn wrong that Thing has never won. Thing has two wins over Hulk, actually.
And you’re the one who asked if I ever read a comic.
Yall taking this too serious, it all depends on who is writing the comic, and who’s comic its in! I believe 40 years ago, Marvel made Odin probably the most powerful being in the universe even over Galactus, (before the Death, Infinity, Eternity, Celestials or what not).
Now the the last 20 years the Asgardians are Gods, yes but Earth Gods, they are nowhere near Cosmic Entities. Galactus is actually up there with Eternity/Infinity, Death/Obilivion and Galactus is considered a sibling to all of them.
I don’t think something made by elves can be more powerful than something given to you by a being from another universe born before this one!!!
Silver Surfer is a known Pacifist, he’s has lost alot of battles to LESSER BEINGS!!!
Hell Hulk has lost alot to leser beings also, his rage is unlimited, his rage can reach a point where, he can shrug off lightning from Thor.
Thor has more victories over most than people even people like Gladiator, Juggs,SS, Hulk, Herc,even Galactus(from the 60′s when he wasnt as powerful)
But I say SS has is more powerful than Thor, if you are not talking about Thor w/o the Odinforce.
But if SS had ALL of the power cosmic, than he would be more powerful than Thor with the Odinforce.
Oh on another note, I read a post about the Beyounder, well the Beyounder in the Secret Wars was like the being that made Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, and Celestials beg for mercy, he just shrug Galactus off with ease.
His creator left Marvel in a couple of years. The other writers didn’t like Beyounder unlimited abilities so, THEY WATER HIM DOWN BIG TIME!!!!! He’s no longer up there with powerhouses, he actually is said to be accidentally been created by Molecule Man. He’s like Mephisto where, he’s unlimited only in his dimesion.
The Celestials being more powerful than Galactus can be a good debate too.
What are people’s takes on Sentry?
Actually it was an editor hated Beyonder, and wanted the character gone.
Well how many powerhouses can have though, I honestly didn’t know of that many till I read the Infinity Gauntlet, where Galactus got all the big boys even Eternity to deal with Thanos. Then that’s where I first heard of the Living Tribunal.
I kinda figure out why Marvel went with the “Ultimate” universe. Alot stuff in the “616″ universe makes you want to scratch your head, like where would you rank the Phoniex to the Cosmic entities? I heard it or she is just as powerful as the Living Tribunal or would that be debatable also?
Characters like Galactus are what are called “Cosmic/Abstract Entities.” Most just do “Cosmic” but I do “Cosmic/Abstract” since some, but not all, represent a force or concept, like Death or the Order and Chaos guys, or Love or Hate.
There’s many more than were shown there. Order and Chaos have someone who works for them that’s roughly on their level called the In-Betweener. There’s a lot more Celestials than were shown. There’s Oblivion, counter-part to Death, and Infinity, counter-part to Eternity. Ego, a literal living planet, might also rank at this level, but not sure.
Though I normally don’t like to use Wikipedia to teach people or to get information, Wikipedia generally does a good job of teaching people the basics of a character, even if it’s not 100% accurate or tells the character’s capabilities.
Even though I disagree with some of what the article says, the Wikipedia entry on Cosmic Entities from Marvel is a good primer to start learning about the Cosmic/Abstract Entities in Marve, so here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_%28Marvel_Comics%29
And here’s the entry for DC Entities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entities_%28DC_Comics%29
Again, don’t agree with everything the entry for DC Entities says, but it’s also a good primer to get you started.
Here’s an example of the entry not being 100% accurate. On the DC entry, Captain Nazi is not only Entity level, unless there’s been some recent change, but he gets his powers from science, not magick where the list placed him. Captain Nazi is more in Superman’s class than an Entity.
It also depends on how weak something can be and still be an Entity. Some consider powerful demons, like Mephisto and Santannish in Marvel and Neron and Lucifer in DC, to be Entities, others don’t. Some consider Skyfathers and Skyfather level characters like Odin and Highfather to be Entity level, others don’t.
I don’t think the more powerful demons like Mephisto and below are Entity level, but at least they and Skyfathers are close enough to be in the same league.
Oh and I missed your earlier question. No, Phoenix is not as powerful as the Living Tribunal. The Phoenix Force it’s self, not an Avatar of the Phoenix Force like Jean Grey and Rachel Summers, are comparable to Galactus or a Celestial, but I don’t know if it’s even as powerful as them, and it’s certainly not as powerful as Living Tribunal.
Didn’t one of the avatars beaten a hungry Galactus before?
LOL, elaborate what you mean. Avatar of what? One of the Entities that represents a concept like Death?
What I meant like Rachel or Jean Grey of the Phoenix
I know Rachel Summers faced a I think hungry Galactus, dunno if she defeated him or not though.
Sorry, but if the Surfer were to ever use his power at full potential, he would annihilate Thor, or at least send him back to Asgard without a head.
And you get that from what exactly Norrin?
It’s too bad that comics are writing by popularity when it comes to match ups like this. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have Wolverine beat Lobo or Storm owning Wonder Woman. So, lets for at least moment not care you like better and look at the characters for what they are. First both are both are creations of all powerful beings. Their strength level are nearly equal, since both can augment it and have held their own with The Hulk. Speed wise I give it to SS, but Thor is capable of countering that with his senses and teleportion. It would look like a DBZ fight, since both move so fast and can teleport. Power wise, I think Thor has the advantage only because he can call on daddy for more power, unlike SS who is basically a outcast. Even, so SS has handle himself against his creator who is at least thousands times stronger than him. Power cosmic and Norse magic would cancel each other out. So to me it boils down to is fighting techniques and persona. SS just isn’t a warrior. I see the two nearly exhausted, without enough energy to use their special powers. Then Thor wins with his combact skills. By the way, what ever universe they fight in would be nearly destroyed.
Wrap it up with this:Silver Surfer said straight up the Mjolnir alone possessed more power than what Surfer had in power cosmic.As for Someone saying Superman can kill Galactus?Bullshit.
I’ve never read on a Hulk fight between SS but I saw a Rulk one where he defeated SS and stole his powers but then Galactus made Rulk his bitch.
Silver Surfer has beaten Hulk at least three times. Twice he’s just drained Hulk of his gamma radiation, reverting Hulk into a normal human. One of those times, Surfer actually caught Hulk’s punch and matched him grappling. Another time Surfer knocked Hulk the fuck out with a single energy blast.
Hulk does have one win over Silver Surfer, but Surfer was almost depowered, and Hulk had help.
Just look at how ridiculous looked the SS when trying to stop Thanos at Thanos quest, Thor has shown much more against him.
Besides this in terms of endurance Thor is in a much higher level
Thor and SS are sure a same power level. Thor can defeat Hulk with ease. Now what do ya say. Thor and SS can defeat Hulk. Just one throw of Mjolnir and hulk is knock outt. Thor can kick hulks butts. Superman has defeated Hulk in DC Versus Marvel crossover. And Thor has defeated Superman. This Shows.
Freaking tard…lol
What the FUCK are you on Tejas? Where the FUCK did you get that Thor has defeated Superman? Even those that keep arguing it’s not in continuity would laugh at you.
Hahahahahahaha Tejas, nice joke
sweet comment Tejas, but i’ll agree with delta. I have one question… isn’t comic power leage above from odinforce, if so… please leave a comment. from what i read in previous threads, skyfathers are a step away from galactus and lil’ lower than the celestials…
Alpha-q…..
If you mean the Power Cosmic, then no, it’s not above the Odin Force. Not nearly.
And Skyfathers are a lil’ lower than the Celestials? Doesn’t appear to be. Since Odin, most powerful of the Skyfathers, and almost all of Asgard, had animated the Destroyer, a weapon MADE to fight Celestials and was given some of the power of multiple Skyfathers(who got together to help with the prep to face the Celestials) and…..didn’t do a damn thing, really.
So you haven’t decided anything, since the comics show very clearly that Thor is more powerful than Silver Surfer…
Thor beating Silver Surfer is wrong by definition, but the writer/storyteller can say whatever he wants… he owns it all.
I recall reading one of Thor comics where he is thrown away from a building under construction by a stupid foe, while he falls, waiting for certain death (would the SS die from falling?), Spiderman rescues him. This foe also threw a tractor to one of the building main columns, so Thor used all his strength to hold the building while Spiderman “solders” some iron columns with his, err, web.
Seriously, SS can move/destroy entire planets, he can manipulate matter in subatomic scale, transmute stuff, no cold nor heat (thus, no thunders) can harm his body.
There is an enourmous inconsistency in Thor, a being which needs food, water, air, made of (hard) flesh, who could barely hold a building, beating a guy that is, by definition, immune to heat (thunders), absorbs energy from the cosmos and manipulates matter.
Thor almost didn’t survive a few minutes in space, because he needs air (see Thor #386 or #387)!!!
But now, if the creator comes and says: Thor is more powerful than SS, what else can we say? What else do YOU have left to decide?
It’s like saying: car A has 50HP, car B has 1000HP, car A is more powerful than car B.
And those are undeniable arguments, also taken from the comics. Thor was never supposed to be more powerful than someone created by a cosmic entity.
um Are you aware that Silver Surfer’s had trouble, at the least, against Spider-Man on multiple occasions, was knocked-out by a cowboy with a hammer, and taken-out with a brick? Plus was KOed by “rock gnomes” or whatever they were that failed to KO Hawkeye and Black Knight. Or maybe they did KO those guys, but still pretty bad that they weren’t killed but Surfer was KOed.
Yeah, and Superman was KO’ed by Mohammed Ali, Lex Luthor in a Robot Suit, Metallo, a giant ant, and venom.
Stop trolling, you know the Mohammed Ali incident was Pre Crisis.
Why not let us bring up how Silver Surfer got his ass kicked by Thing, Thor every time they meet, and a freaking brick.
I personally would favor Surfer in a 1 on 1 bout.
Guys…Gals…no need to get angry! None of us are going to take it out in a desert or deserted warehouse…so chill!
Ok….shew (whipe forehead)…This debate is very good, very opinionated and everyone seems to have a lil heart in this subject.
But we are discussing comics, the written and drawn proof of things (involving this argument). RULK, SENTRY, even the jade giant himself don’t have to appear in this discussion. PERIOD..it’s not a battle royal…it’s Silver Surfer vs. Thor!
Warning, non-bias approach here, so no “fanboy” comments following this is neccessary!
Points(facts): – as stated earlier above, SS admits the magic soaked in mjolnir is greater than his power cosmic…(kinda the end of argument…right?)
- another fact: Thor = a god. Not a created volunteer doing the dirty work for someone. Picture a Ninja vs. a Viking…both are badass, but you gotta admit…the viking would rape, steal, bite push or pull to win!…Thor, for example, is a TRAINED warrior, not MADE into something. He was born into god-hood and was given the responsibilities proceeding that title.
I am an avid SS fan, whatever that means, and I do believe that this battle would honestly be very devasting to both characters. Both would tire out and probably call it a night…there ya have it
*we can almost ALL agree on this*
BOTH characters are (imo) not used accurately any way nowadays in comics! Surfer could come down and help fuck up RULK and aid Thor with this seige B.S….but nope…
This is an example of Marvel creating characters that are TOO beyond comprehension…
SENTRY? A million jerked off suns? No! He’s an emotional mess, created to get the attention of the emos that have suddenly been awakened with the likes of Fallout boy and Twilight…
Thor, GOD of thunder…but can get whipped by a 1 year character? He should be able to lay the pipe down on any and everyone on Earth!
Surfer, herald of Gal and journeyman of the cosmos?…NO…he is written as a shy, almost abused quiet guy who can make cool possed while surfing the stars…
Marvel creates this 100+ class heros but can’t find any other way to control them but to create a better and more powerful mutant/being/entity/skyfather/thing/or person to rumble with them…o the possiblities…
To conclude, stop being so angry and start thinking before typing please. Everyone seems like they have the noodles to bicker! Great, but I say we team together and destroy Norman Osborne, Sentry and all the other wackness recently created in Marvel…
…and if you have Surfer’s number, hit him up and get him back into some issues damn-it! He didn’t even show up to the Planet Hulk filming!
Peace~ JiAM
So, what exactly does being a god have to do with making someone powerful? Yes, out of gods we have Thor and Odin and Orion and Darkseid for some examples, but those guys aren’t powerful BECAUSE they’re gods.
If being a god was such a big deal making you powerful, then do you give Mister Miracle odds against Thing in a straight-up no-prep fight?
I dont get it. Thor beats Surfer in a comic and wizard changes there mind about who is better? But when Superman beat Thor in a comic he is still ranked number 3?
David Murray. Ok, every character in the comics has embarrasing moments in the comics. Surfer was almost beat by Spiderman in a comic! Surfer was knocked out by Carnage, the Thing, Hulk pounded on him, Thor beat Surfer twice, Black Panther with cosmic powers out fought Surfer. And Pently more. So you cant really say Surfer wouldnt be hurt or need to be saved from Spiderman because it happened to Thor once. Thor is still 2 and 0 on Surfer.
Where was Surfer knocked-out by Carnage? The closest I’ve ever heard of was the Carnage symbiot taking-over Surfer, but not Carnage KOing him. Not to say it never happened, as Surfer has perhaps the worst embarrassing showings.
But if Black Panther really did have “cosmic powers” it’s not necessarily a bad showing for Surfer(assuming Panther was made to be roughly a physical match) as Surfer can’t fight worth a damn and Panther is a highly trained, very experienced and quite skilled Martial Artist. Thing though is a bad showing(but not the worst) considering how durable Surfer is, and kinda throws-out the arguments used against, say, Superman about Surfer being able to react to and drain Superman(where was this against Thing, who’s not even as fast as Captain America, and has a whole lot less energy to drain than Superman who’s also constantly getting charged and can potentially counter his energy being drained?)
Wow… Again, records mean nothing.
People out there that say Thor has the majority records over Hulk are nuts. The count for Hulk against Thor is 5-2 for Hulk! Anybody that says otherwise has no idea what they’re talking about. Plus, in the movie Hulk Vs., there was no official winner, but Hulk absolutely destroyed Thor on multiple occasions. But then again it was Hulk’s movie. Also, there is always going to be a stupid or unreasonable upset in the comics just for the heck of it. Surfer getting beat by Thor in Siler Surfer #4 was one of those times. Don’t get me wrong, Thor is VERY powerful, easily top five, maybe three even. But Silver Surfer is the most powerful there is, and as somebody here pointed out, he hasn’t ever gone “all out”. Get a pissed off Surfer against Thor, and Thor will be down for the count quickly. He’d like turn Thor’s hammer into a feather or something like he did in his cartoon against Beta-Ray Bill.
SURFER ALL THE WAY!
While beating a character doesn’t PROVE something without question, a character’s win over another does have a good deal of weight. Though a lot of factors out-side pure power come into play in a comic fight, when one character has a losing record against another, it sure doesn’t help the case of those arguing the losing character’s more powerful.
And you’re flat-out wrong that Hulk has the winning record against Thor. You’re the one who’s nuts. You’re either a Hulk fanboy(somehow, while preferring Surfer; stranger things have happened) or have been blinded by the Hulk fanboys. Out of every argument I’ve seen, only Hulk’s two wins in HULK ANNUAL 2001 are actual wins, and not just Hulk looking good, or looking good to the Hulk fanboys, and them claiming he won without a decisive outcome occurring. I’ve posted the argument numerous times, and you can check it on the Top 10 Most Powerful list right now on WEDO, linked to this article’s former Top 10.
And you’ve lost 99.5% of your credibility by bringing up HULK VS.
And an argument can sure be made that Silver Surfer’s more POWERFUL than Thor, but the fact is, Thor is much more formidable. Silver Surfer just sucks as a fighter, and I’m not talking hand-to-hand combat skills(which I’d say Thor’s are way overrated, and virtually non-existent out of what I’ve actually seen). He’s not that great at using his powers in combat against someone more combat savvy like Thor. Throw in the fact that he’s been very inconsistent, and has some of the lowest lows in comics(like the brick, multiple fights against Spider-Man, and more) and it’s not surprising he’s lost to Thor, who’s both more formidable at using his powers in combat and is more consistent and doesn’t have as bad of lows.