The Mighty Thor and Superman are the heavy-hitters of Marvel and DC respectively, each of them arguably the most powerful hero in their respective universes. So its natural that this is without question the most discussed versus debate amongst comic book fans. No other versus battle comes close to being talked about as much than this one. Try to start a “Superman vs Thor” thread on any forum and the first response is sure to be: “Not this again”.
Some of you may remember our “Top 10 Most Powerful Superheroes” list that we released a while back, where we made the controversial claim that Thor was the most powerful superhero of all time (Superman coming in at number three on that list). Months later we are still receiving emails either agreeing with us, or flaming us for that decision. Many fans cite Superman’s speed as the deciding factor in any fight between the two behemoths. Other emails claim that Thor’s magical powers would be enough to stop the man of steel in his tracks. So, the natural question is, do we still stand by our claim that Thor is more powerful than Superman? The answer is still “yes.” In this article we’ll break down the seven most common arguments and give you our take on them.
1. Super Strength
The claim has often been made that Superman is stronger than Thor. Many times on versus forums threads this claim is accepted as a given by both sides of the debate. We don’t concede that the Man of Steel is physically stronger than the god of thunder though. Thor has performed feats such as lifting the World Serpent, and once hurled the Odinsword, an enormous mystical blade, through a Celestial! Thor has also single-handedly matched the strength of the Hulk on numerous occasions (the Marvel Universe’s strongest character). Not only that but Thor is capable of entering into a state known as the “Warrior’s Madness”, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold. Some of these feats have no true equivalent in the DC universe. We think at the very least, the two character’s physical strength is equal.
2 . Super Speed
This is Superman’s one true advantage in this fight. Superman is fast. We’re talking warp speed fast. We’re talking once around the entire planet and back before you can blink fast. You could easily make the argument that Thor would be lucky if he even saw Superman before he got pounded. But is Thor as slow as everyone seems to think? Unknown to many DC fanboys Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light (See Thor#140, Thor#274). He can also swing it at TWICE the speed of light (Journey Into Mystery#102). In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. In addition Thor can appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). And, most importantly, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes. And yes, I do need a life). Now if we accept that Superman can move at 99% of the speed of light, and that Thor can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, it stands to reason that big blue is in some trouble. It’s true that Thor doesn’t use his super speed abilities often, but how many times have you seen Superman not use his super speed when he should have?
3. Stanima
Who can take more punishment, Thor or Superman? This is a difficult question. Thor has withstood a blast from Asgardian Destroyer. Superman has withstood a direct hit from a nuclear bomb. Thor has taken everything the Hulk could dish out. Thor also once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Thor has also taken everything that Gladiator (an arguably more powerful version of Superman) could dish out. Both characters have come back from the dead a couple of times. In my mind this one is a draw. Both characters have approximately the same stanima. The difference is Superman has weaknesses (i.e. Kryptonite, Magic, and the fact he is powerless without yellow sunlight) whereas Thor pretty much doesn’t.
4. Magic
Even the most diehard Superman fan would concede that Thor’s magical abilities would be an advantage for Thor. First, I would like to note that just because an opponent can wield magic, it in no way guarantees a win over the last son of Krypton. Superman has defeated countless magic users in the past, and so I have no illusions that just because Thor has magic powers and a magic hammer that he would automatically own Superman. That being said magic is just as lethal against Supes as kryptonite. Superman has no defense against it, and it can affect him greatly. Superman getting pounded by Mjolnir is the same as you and me getting pounded by a normal hammer. And consider the guy who’s swinging it. It’s Thor. The god of thunder. Not only that, but Thor’s lightning is magical too. Remember that just a single lightning bolt is equivalent to 15,000,000 volts of electricity and could travel over 224,000 miles an hour. The clear advantage here goes to Thor.
5. Super Powers
Before Thor inherited the Odinforce, the super powers of these two heroes were a little more even. Now there is absolutely no contest. Thor has a clear edge over Superman here. His magical hammer gives Thor the ability to control the weather, the ability to fly; energy projection and absorption; dimensional apertures; matter manipulation, as well as the most powerful of his offensive powers: the God Blast, and the Anti-Force. Superman is no push over in this department either, with the already mentioned super strength, super speed, as well as heat vision, x-ray vision, enhanced senses, and the ability to blow hurricane force winds from his mouth. But what is that compared to being able to summon an actual hurricane? Not only that but with the Odinforce Thor was then capable of feats such as reconstructing the Earth’s Moon, willing the Asgardian monster Mangog into nothingness, and by focusing his entire power into a hammer throw that even decapitated a Desak-occupied Asgardian Destroyer. Having accepted his heritage as the son of the earth goddess Gaea, he has recently been shown to be capable of opening chasms in the earth itself, and who knows what other abilities he’ll be displaying now that he’s done that.
6. Superman beat Thor in the Avengers / DC Crossover
I don’t want to spend much time on this one. Most fans of comics know how much weight we should give to crossovers. Besides, I personally have no doubt that Superman would beat Galactus in a crossover. He’s DC’s flagship character after all. Enough said on that one.
7. Thor has Thousands of Years of Combat Experience
This is a common argument used by Thor fans to claim that Thor would take down Superman. It seems fairly obvious. If I somehow gained super powers and a Viking Warrior somehow gained the exact same or nearly equivalent powers, most people would put their money on the Viking if we fought each other. Now imagine the Viking warrior was thousands of years older than me, and had been using his powers for all those thousands of years to battle trolls, giants, demons, robots, aliens, and gods, and I have only been using my powers for 20-30 years. It seems clear to me that the Viking Warrior god has a clear cut advantage over me in a fight. Again advantage Thor.
It seems obvious to me that Thor has a clear advantage over Superman in a fight. I don’t think that Thor is so powerful that there is no way that Superman could ever defeat him. But I believe that the majority of the time Thor would beat Superman in a one on one fight, assuming its not a fight to the death. If it is a fight to the death, then I think Thor would almost invariably win. So there you have it, the definitive answer to one of the most talked about and controversial debates in comic book nerdom. Brought to you by your pals at Old-Wizard.com.
Why dont you make up your own catchphrase?
How about…
Muy Caliente!
FURY UNLEASHED!
Ok who would win?
Superman? or…
CAPTAIN PLANET!
Dont forget his awesome theme song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ludKJ4rRnBs
Who would win :
Superman or Mario Bros + Mushroom ?
Thanks for the kind words alberto:) I’m sure your a high class kind of guy*smirk* furyof5 thanks for the suggestions but I have been reading thor comics for over 20years I have no need to study him, but you are right about superman, I have never soiled my hands with a dc comic. And I know nothing of your debate and nor does it matter thor is 4-2 against hulk #thatisall
@ODINSON
Look if you are up for serious debate check this FACTS.
This are fact and do exist in canon comics.
FIGHT LIST OF THOR VS HULK
AVENGERS 3 BATTLE 1 WINNER NONE ADVANTAGE HULK
Why? Hulk is fighting vs The Avengers team
AVENGERS 3-FIGHT 2 WINNER NONE ADVANTAGE THOR
Why? Thor is holding his own vs Namor and Hulk, Zeromages couns this as a win for Thor, but did not count the fact that Mjolnir seems to have an spell that prevents the mallet to be taken away from Thor’s hand by a living creature. (RULK DID THIS, but Odin is dead, so the spell might not be in place anymore)
JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #112 (THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF AVENGERS 3) (PARTIAL FIGHT NO MJOLNIR)
WINNER NONE ADVANTAGE THOR
Why? Clearly here Thor with Mjolnir dominates the Hulk, But Thor decides to fight Hulk with out the hammer. Physically they are evenly matched.
FANTASTIC FOUR #26 WINNER NONE ADVANTAGE NONE
Why? Is Hulk vs The FF & THE Avengers, but everybody gets in the way and no real fight takes place
SUB-MARINER #35 (I do not own this one)
WINNER HULK (BY SUCKERPUNCH)
Why? Well according to Leader’s lies Hulk wins in this one. I do not own this issue, but they say basically that Hulk suckerpunched THOR.
DEFENDERS #10
WINNER NONE ADVANTAGE THOR (I changed my stance on this one, now is advantage for Thor, before it was none)
Why? They are lock for an Hour, while some may say The Hulk should have gotten angrier and then become stronger and Thor was still able to hold up. I think being lock for over an hour strugling vs another guy, kind of will exahust you to the point that you will get somewhat more relaxed. Either way this looks good for Thor. Only physical force and hammer strikes were used by Thor here
HULK #255
WINNER HULK (BY DEFAULT)
Why? Thor reverts into his Human form while in the middle of fight. It may be a by default victory, but a victory none the less. Only physical force and hammer strikes were used by Thor here
HULK #300
WINNER NONE ADVANTAGE NONE
Why? This is the fight with the admantium statue. No one seem like a having an advantage in this one. But Thor was using his lightning in the fight.
THOR #385 (PARTIAL FIGHT NO MJOLNIR)
WINNER 0 ADVANTAGE HULK
Why? While with Mjolnir Thor has a clear advantage over Hulk, Thor gets rid of the Hammer, because Hulk tells him He is nothing without his hammer. Hurt in his pride Thor decides to get rid os Mjolnir and face the Hulk physically. Hulk left Thor in pretty bad shape while fighting physically.
Only physical force and hammer strikes were used by Thor here
THOR #489
WINNER THOR
Why? Thor is holding back, Hulk is strugling to not turn into Banner. Neither of them was at peak.
Only physical force was used by Thor here
HULK #440
WINNER NONE ADVANTAGE HULK
Why? Thor is in berserker mode, Hulk/Maestro still retains certain degree of rationality. HULK/MAESTRO survives a lightning bolt from Thor while in berserker mode
HULK 2001- FIGHT 1
WINNER HULK
Why? Thor was inmobilized for a while, as seen in the issue it took two pages for Thor to get back into the fight. Thor used his lightning bolt in this fight.
HULK 2001- FIGHT 2
WINNER THOR
Why? Hulk gets KO by a lightning bolt.
HULK 2001- FIGHT 3
WINNER HULK (SUCKERPUNCH)
Why? Hulk stops punching Thor, because Thor is not moving anymore and walks away. Thor did not have time to even react here.
HEROES REBORN: THE RETURN #1
WINNER 0 ADVANTAGE 0
Why? No actual battle takes place
HEROES REBORN: THE RETURN #2
WINNER 0 ADVANTAGE 0
Why? No actual battle takes place
THE AVENGERS #5 HEROES REBORN UNIVERSE
WINNER HULK (SUCKERPUNCH)
Why? Hulk KO’S Thor, HULK suckerpunched Thor AGAIN
Physical force, hammer strikes and lightning strikes were used by Thor here
I count 17 battles
In the end the score is as follows:
5 INCONCLUSIVE FIGHTS
3 INCONCLUSIVE WITH ADVANTAGE FOR THOR
3 INCONCLUSIVE WITH ADVANTAGE FOR HULK
2 VICTORIES FOR THOR
5 VICTORIES FOR HULK (1 CONCLUSIVE, 1 BY DEFAULT, 3 BY A CHEAP SHOT) (one of them questionable because I do not own that issue and I cannot confirm the information provided)
I still believe that Thor is more powerful than Hulk, but Hulk is not a walk in the park for Thor. You said it before. Thor strugles vs Hulk. This only confirms that. Thor strugles vs the physical force of Hulk.
But yes Thor is more powerful.
SCORE IS HULK 5 THOR 2
Yo Alberto! Get dem stats fo dis foo so he can learn how Hulk been beaten on dat foo Thor! XD
Wow you did….. AWESOMENESS
Ok well I may have been off by 1, but my point is still valid…
Alberto: Dont you think its really random how Thor could KO Hulk with a single lightning bolt when he has been shown to be able to take them and much more and keep going?
I wont act like it didnt happen, but I think its odd and more a writers thing like the whole Cobra fiasco.
@Fury
Yes I believe this is very ramdom
It basically has to do with the plot and the writter.
Just the fact that He survived a berserker thunder porves this.
According to blind fanboys a berserker thunder should desintegrate Hulk.
But the again according to blind Hulk fanboys, Hulk can puch his way back to life
Well the whole “The Hulk is dead! I stabbed him with a trident! Even though hes survived disembowelment, holes blown through his chest, and thunder from a god!” is stupid. And even when Maestro was dead he still was alive as a spirit, so the whole Hulk is dead thing is just weird.
And you never answered my question… WHO WOULD WIN?
amazing aint it hulk alive as a spirit…
is this a new gamma radiation power set…
all this boils down to the writer of course..
but let me ask u does the hulk breathe? yes if he fought in space would he last? no so anyone who could block he’s breathing can disable and or kill hulk, mainly magneto could erect a magnetic field to block air around hes head,the invisible could do the same, heck any technology maker could create a device and do the same thing, same with doctor doom, silver surfer ( im just saying the possibility of a fight that could lead this way. ie Hulks opponents being able and capable of doing such things) so thor could teleport hulk into open deep space.. sleep well hulky.
ARE YOU SERIOUS WITH THAT QUESTION?
Superman of course
He destroys the planet, no more power source for cap planet
Of course I wasnt serious, I just wanted an answer.
And how could Superman destroy the planet? Captain Planet would fly up to him and start giving him a sob story and teaching him about the environment, which in turn would make Superman quit out of annoyance.
Ok better, Superman or the Powerpuff Girls?
how about this the carebear vs superman
grumpy bear can beat the snot out of superman heck he’s cuteness is enough to make superman puke and faint.
Scenario one
Thor engages superman then gets beaten because of superman’s ridiculous speed after a long slugfest. but as a last resort thor channels magical energy unto he’s hammer opening a dimensional portal ( this abillity actually being a part of hes skill set) and transports the two of them in the middle of open deep deep space. millions of light years across with out any habitable planets.
who comes out alive?
Toxic : Both. Even if Thor would bring Superman away from ANY stars and suns, Superman could just use his speed to get near one, which he can since he’s way above Thor in term of speed.
By the way, people really underestimate Superman’s heat vision. It would HURT Thor. I have no doubt on that. I already said that but it’s important. The scientists of DC are above those of Marvel (which is true) and they know the heat of the sun. Still, they don’t know how much hot Superman’s heat vision is. They actually think that there is not limits to it’s power and only Superman has complete control over the power it will unleash.
Well Superman would still have a great deal of energy stored within his body as well and thus wouldnt really need stars, and of course SH is right, Superman has flown across the universe in panels before, so he wouldnt have any trouble getting to them.
Also Superman has cauterized reality with his heat vision, it would be able to hurt Thor.
ok so here goes,
( i know i know i watch a lot of justice league unlimited sue me the freaging thing rocks, in one of the episodes when the entire justice league fought one being amazo and was soundly beaten all of them, even the green lantern corp soundly beaten, superman can be seen in space wearing a breathing apparatus ) so my question is how long could superman last in space ?? or am i wrong in that superman ( current one of course) can go to space un aided in the oxygen department, so he is now just like the surfer and thor who does not need to breathe in space then?? is this an evolution of supes recent powers? im not too versed in superman skill sets so u guys can enlighten me.
superman is not unbeatable, thor is not unbeatable no one is ( unless your the living tribunal who still was beaten by thanos mind you)
if the scenario goes as stated ” thor as a last resort teleports both of them in the middle of the universe with out no habitable planets,within a million million light years across, how long would he last?? so tha thor could gain an upperhand.
by the way as stated i am a fanboy of both dc and marvel, i love thor and i love flash, superman is one of my favorites as well.
and yes i believe that superman’s heat vision could hurt thor but not kill him, thor has visited atum the god killer who resides in the sun. i dont think thor’s lightning arc could kill superman as well being that superman has gone thru a red sun unabated. the lightning arc’s magic property would be the cause of death and that’s to thor’s advantage.
i assume that when superman flew thru the universe in a couple of panels it was recent right? this is the current superman??
but did he land on a habitable planet? yes he did
so the scenario goes back to what if? there was no habitable planet how long can superman hold hes breathe, like i said u guys cna enlighten me i could be wrong.
one more thing in another episode of justice league unlimited he fought grundy who is now magically enpowered , he fought the justice league and won not even superman could hurt him, in fact grundy was hurting superman because of the magic enchantment’s in him, ” superman engages the newly resurected grundy , ‘ come on grundy we’v been thru this before u dont have a chance againt’s me let’s talk this over’ then superman flies at grundy punches him and grundy catches superman’s hands and crushes it. superman goes down in one knee and starts to growl in pain’ when doctor fate intervened and showed amazo and aquaman how powerful grundy has become itt can be seen that grundy is holding a fainted superman by he’s cape.
Superman can “breath” in space, meaning he can last as long as he needs to.
There would be no disadvantage for Superman in this. And he could fly across the universe in panels, but thats just to show his speed, he can obviously find a planet and land there.
There would be zero disadvantage.
Also you need to remember, Cartoons are not cannon, so nothing that happens in them matters or applies.
@there in lies your arrogance my friend.
Jim Kreuger fmous writer for both dc comics and marvel.
( he wrote for batman and justice)
extensively worked with geoff johns and the editor of dc comics , in writing the stories for justice league unlimited, to stay true to the universal storyline and remain constant with the stories and events of the comic book, so id refrain from the ” cartoons are not cannon ideology pertaining to JLU”
what happend in them did matter and did applied.
( referred past tense for there are no new episodes done )
in fact it showed the true potential and humanity of superman, dont be a fanboy that your clouding your judgement, superman can be beaten has been beaten and killed so is thor no one is un beatable fully understand that… only the so called ‘ god ‘ of the omniverse is truly unbeatable.
superman is weak againt’s magic and warner brothers who owns dc comics who produced the ” cartoons, as u smirkly call it” showed it fully. he now is either strongly weak or minorly weak againt’s it but still vulnerable……. i will take your ” superman does not need to breathe in space logic with a grain of salt ” i”ll just have to peruse the internet for those.
u have to fully be RATIONAL in the SCENARIO in who comes out on top, who had the advantage who did what, what was around them, what was the platform they were in.
heck superman is bound by the laws of physics, even the spectre can kill superman, how?? why dont the spectre take away all the physics laws from superman and let’s see if he can still fly.
there are many many beings, either universal god level, elemental, proemial who trancends the laws of physics and our current superman does not stand a chance againts them, in the future when superman evolves he will.
@Toxic
Superman in comics only need a single breath to oxygenise his blood stream this was shown on after DOS.
There are several beigns that can defeat Superman.
If Thor were to take Superman to a spacezone where there is no Habitable planets, this will not change anything a bit.
It will be different if He takes him to a red solar system in which Superman will star slowly losing his powers. This will actually make a difference.
The only thing here that most people are not aware of is that Superman retains more yellow energy based on the stress level he is in.
Also you have to take into account that Star light is = to sun energy for Superman. So in space Superman is stronger. Because He feed out of the stars.
One more thing you have to consider is that Thor in space is a disadvantage. In space with “zero” gravity the mallet could be picked by Superman.
There is the need of some sort of gravity for the spell to work.
Magic is a factor but not as big as many people believe. Superman is affected by certain magic frequencies. It seems this is based in his psionic powers because He gets affected on what He believes it can afect him. This of course is not a fact but a speculation. But is has been shown in panel that Superman is highly susceptible to folkish monster magic like vodoo, vampires, werewolfs and folk monsters and Highly resistent to Godly magical energies as seen in Superman annual 1 in which He survives a mystic thunder from Poseidon. Or primeval were He withsatand a magic blast that turn Diana into clay and bring Zauriel to his knees.
Alberto : Batman once told Superman that red sun was just blocking is access to his powers.
Is he honestly trying to argue that Cartoons should be applied to this debate? Why cant people understand that they arent cannon and arent applied?
If you want to apply cartoons you might as well do Hulk Vs Thor where Hulk beats him to death, Planet Hulk with BRB where Hulk nearly beats him to death, and a bunch of other crap.
@ Fury5
yes hulk did win againt’s thor… and that my friend does apply……it is all by way of writers and producers same thing with superman,
but there in lay what u do not understand…
who is hulk?? the one with banner or the one without..
the one with banner has the same base strenght level of thor because of banner.
the other does not has a higher one hence IT won.
marvel fanboys are now debating a new saga of who or what the hulk is now, a scenario of two kinds..
can a hulk with such a high degree of intelligence ( by way of banner ) or a dumb as a muck but with such a high degree of strength higher than thor, win
well we saw the dumb hulk win. end of that story, the ‘CARTOON’ as u call it made an actual proper RATIONAL SCENARIO THAT COULD AND IS POSSIBLE TO HAPPEN.
alberto as always it is a joy to speak to you ty for those intelligent quips, i am now starting to believe that he’s new resurrection has completely changed the ” magic vulnerability game” but what we cannot and is impossible to define is marvel’s magic to dc’s magic that is un- knowable. hence a thor vs superman battle rest’s in the pure slugfest, energy manipulation, speed and stamina department now.
we both agreed already that thor vs superman is a stalemate ending in both universal pwerhouses in death.
alberto would u agree with me if i said that all this is still under the whim of the writer from both dc and marvel in how their respective characters get portrayed, example in superman 677 it clearly shows superman in space with a green lantern made breathing helmet, then it depends on the writer… Several times in the past, Superman has required outside equipment to breathe in space for long periods of time, such as during Superman: Exile where he actually had to land every so often to reful his ozygen tanks from a breathable atmosphere
while under Jeph Loeb, for Superman/Batman it shows superman breathing in space, and then the one written by Brian Azzarello for Superman: For Tomorrow #01,then my newest findings ( ty to u guys) he doesn’t need to breath at all this was also stated in the new Krypton arc by members of the labour guild also he doesn’t need sleep or food as long as he is near a yellow sun.
one last thing alberto u stated that in deep space thor’s hammer would be a dis advantage but remember thor’s magic enpowerment and the hammers properties aren’t affected by the universe’s laws of physics.
so it surprised the heck out of me when thor lost to THE RED HULK in space when red hulk took the hammer and pummeled thor to the moon, when thor came back later in new york he fried the red hulk and a barrage of lightning arcs. ( again at the whim of the current writers)
Fury back to you were only talking about the justice league unlimited series and not any other.. yes u can rely on those JLU episodes yes they are true to the universal by lines of the dc universe.
in the end it is the writer who is more powerful i bet their writers are like 5Th dimensional imp’s or something.
oh and one more thing ( i do love talking to you guys ha lol ) Thor vs silver surfer, thor actually sucked out the surfer’s energy using he’s energy / matter manipulation powers, rending surfer energy less and not able to fight. would it be Plausible ( and i use this word fairly) that thor could siphon superman’s energy ( he does get it from the sun’s rays hence it’s an energy form) and render superman energy less??
Toxic: NONE OF THAT APPLIES! CARTOONS, MOVIES, NONE OF THAT IS CANNON! That does not apply no matter what you want to say or think.
oh and alberto u mentioned that superman is highly susceptible to the folklore magic, voodoo, vampires, were wolves, what do u know an EPISODE OF JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED were grundy was resurrected by voodoo magic and became magic incarnate defeated superman, superman was clearly vulnerable to this type of magic.. how about that a ‘CARTOON’ actually being canon on their take of a dc chracter my my…the odds of that. ( but yeah alberto your right )
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Let’s all calm down oooosahhh oooosahhhhh ooooosaaahh superman might get an ulcer this might actually be the cause of he’s defeat if someone does not take it easy.
Toxic : Are you retarded? TV Shows and movies are non canon. The TV Show of the Justice League was showing a Superman that could barelly lift a freaking Tank. Superman in comics is able to move the Earth and Mageddon. Use your brain a minute. Is that even possible? Superman has learned how to breath in space with the help of Mongul because he needed that to fight against Imperiex Prime and his probes.
shadow hunter
are u missing the point of the argument???????
the episode of grundy being voodo magic incarnate and defeating superman is a lie?????? is not canon????? cannot happen not plausible???????
and miss stop with the ‘ ARE U A RETARD’ return it kinda does not bode for your awareness of things.
were not talking about movies,, i stated JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED an episode of superman wearing a breathing apparatus( which was shown as well in superman 677 a comic book!!!!) we are talking about an episode of grundy being resurrected by VOODOOOOOO MAGIICCCCCCCC, and clearly defeating superman, a point clearly and i mean clearly stated by ALBERTO to actually canon in the DC COMICS UNIVERSE!!!!( that superman is highly vulnerable to voodoo, folklore monster, and wolves etc,) two episodes that clearly shows that those two ideas does and clearly exist in the comic books!!!!!
now whose the ” bleep” now. i ask theelady to highly peruse yon upper statings before thee open thy mouth..
blah i’ll be right back time for me to drink some ale…
and yes hunter i agree with you with mongul teaching supes how to breathe in space ( just read that comic book yesterday)
Justice league unlimited last made episodes was 2006,
if it was still on going it will follow what is on going with the comic books..
upgrading supes breathing to not breathing….. etc etc etc.
but to say that the JLU is not fully existing with the bylaws of the dc universe is my good lord ‘ absurd’
plus u cannot change tha fact that the writer is in control. that simple aspect of a chracter’s powerset/skills can change in a whim.
Brb time for class……
ty for the cute nice compliments.. ( always fun to engage in a rational conversation, that turns into a grudge match of hulkingly epic proportions.. no pun intended)
Toxic : You know why it turns this way? It’s because you don’t even know what is canon and what isn’t, lol! Stop thinking you know everything and start getting real feats.
@Toxic
I get what you are saying. That Comic bookwritters are consulted to make cartoons, However cartoon episodes are not canon and Superman, wonder woman, martian manhunter and Gl are dumbed down to fit in the cartoon story line.
This was actually mentioned before.
Cartoons are not canon.
I agree that the any writter portrays the hero anyway they want to fit into their story telling style.
Onto the mallet and Rulk, it seems the spell is no longer in place due to the fact that the spellcaster is dead (ODIN) that is probably why Rulk was able to take the mallet.
Well Beta Ray Bill picked it up back when the spell was still in effect. It has to due with worthiness.
@Toxic
Hulk Vs Thor is not canonical because it happened in a different Universe.It happened in Universe-80920.One of the producers stated that Hulk Vs Wolverine is a prequel to Wolverine and the X-men w/c was also set in Universe-80920.Same goes w/ BRB getting beaten up by Hulk.It happened in a different Universe.Marvel’s true continuity is in Universe-616 w/c happens to be the comics.I’m just trying to clear up that the Cartoons and Movies are non canon for Marvel.Although I have to admit, that you made a point about Grundy Vs Superman but I have to take into account that JLU is based on a different Universe.Did you know in Superman#676, Solomon Grundy was actually winning against Superman in that fight.There was a scene there were Grundy was actually drowning Superman.And that’s without any mystical enhancement what so ever.Grundy was winning until GL Alan Scott arrived to assist Superman.
@Furyof5
The Hulk got knock out by Thor’s lightning bolt because in Thor#421 it was shown that Thor can increase the effectiveness of the Lightning he summons by 10,000 times or more.That includes Voltage and Speed of the lightning.It is unclear what is the exact limit of Thor’s lightning.Given the fact Thor is the son of a Sky Father and an Elder Goddess, It is plausible for Thor to knock out Hulk w/ a lightning bolt.And Thor was holding back when he shot Hulk w/ a Lightning Bolt.
Reporter: Well they never indicated he increased its power. And it may be plausible, but I doubt he was holding back.
Berserker Rage Thor blasted Hulk/Maestro with a full powered Thunder Bolt and he was still going, so regular Hulk should be able to take a lightning bolt from regular Thor.
I think its simply a writing thing.
Reporter : If you wanna use Non-Canon thing, Thor lost to Superman… Debate is over.
@Furyof5
Berzerker Rage only increases Thor’s Strength.Not his Magical Abilities as stated by Thor himself in this scan.From Thor#502
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorWarriorMadness01502.jpg
See the part Thor said “Mindless battle passion.”
So the lightning bolt that was used on Hulk/Maestro might not have the same effect that was used in Hulk Annual 2001.Thor didn’t used Berzerker Rage against Hulk in Hulk Annual 2001.So Thor had a clear mind when he was fighting Hulk.And he summoned a Lightning Bolt that could KO the Hulk.
@ShadowHunter
I did say that Superman Vs Grundy fight he was talking about happened in DCAU.And I don’t take that as canonical since I did state it could be a different Universe.However, I do remember the Superman Vs Solomon Grundy fight that happened in Superman#676.And Grundy was winning against Superman in that fight until GL Alan assisted Superman.
@ to every one..
again i state and only state that the EPISODE the grundy episode where he is voodoo ressurected with magic…….. could not be stopped by superman.. this is canonical to the dc universal belief that SUPERMAN is very vulnerable to magic ( as stated by ALBERTO, superman weak with voodoo magic, folklore monsters,)it clearly showed in this episode what alberto stated earlier.. get it?
the other episode was when superman was using a breathing apparatus in space to fight amazo WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SCENE OF SUPERMAN USING THE APPARATUS. where it clearly is shown in superman 677 the same thing under Jeph Loeb, for Superman/Batman it shows superman breathing in space, and then the one written by Brian Azzarello for Superman: For Tomorrow #01, WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT the whole ” cartoon” series were talking about the 2 episodes.
and reporter scroll way way back up and pls reread what i stated. the hulk vs thor is not canonical yes it is not!! it is not the same universe.. WHAT I STATED WAS THE SCENARIO THAT WAS DEPICTED.. the complete hulk with banner cna happened, has happened, and that episode is canon. the idea of hulk beating the crap of thor because banner was separated!!! has happened, the IDEA IS CANON OR GENUINE. Hulk and Banner physically separated under John Byrne’s writing. Separated from the Hulk by Doc Samson
canon= considered to be “genuine” or of which certain ideas may become influential or widely accepted.
BUT over all nice returns of ideas and opinions.. i highly respect all your inputs and knowledge ( it did make me go back and read superman books yet again)
@Toxic
Thor fought a Bannerless Hulk in the comics to a stalemate.From Thor#300
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk18Hulk300.jpg
@Toxic
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk19.jpg
@Toxic
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk20.jpg
And there was a What If Issue were Thor snapped Hulk’s neck.That issue pissed off a lot of Hulk fans by the way.By the way Marvel already stated who is stronger between Thor and Hulk.
@Toxic
As for the Superman Vs Solomon Grundy fight that happened in Superman#676, just watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ISzcc227Mk
Reporter: However Hulks neck has been snapped before, and hes endured much worse things than that, so its not like that matters.
I mean theyve had other What Ifs like “What If Hulk Killed Wolverine” and the reverse.
Theyre What If comics, so who cares.
However like I have said it is never said Thor amped up the Thunder or increased it at all, he simply blasted and beat Hulk, and Hulk has shown to be able to take the Lightning and much more powerful attacks.
I say its just a writing thing. Not that Thor didnt win, because he did.