The Mighty Thor and Superman are the heavy-hitters of Marvel and DC respectively, each of them arguably the most powerful hero in their respective universes. So its natural that this is without question the most discussed versus debate amongst comic book fans. No other versus battle comes close to being talked about as much than this one. Try to start a “Superman vs Thor” thread on any forum and the first response is sure to be: “Not this again”.
Some of you may remember our “Top 10 Most Powerful Superheroes” list that we released a while back, where we made the controversial claim that Thor was the most powerful superhero of all time (Superman coming in at number three on that list). Months later we are still receiving emails either agreeing with us, or flaming us for that decision. Many fans cite Superman’s speed as the deciding factor in any fight between the two behemoths. Other emails claim that Thor’s magical powers would be enough to stop the man of steel in his tracks. So, the natural question is, do we still stand by our claim that Thor is more powerful than Superman? The answer is still “yes.” In this article we’ll break down the seven most common arguments and give you our take on them.
1. Super Strength
The claim has often been made that Superman is stronger than Thor. Many times on versus forums threads this claim is accepted as a given by both sides of the debate. We don’t concede that the Man of Steel is physically stronger than the god of thunder though. Thor has performed feats such as lifting the World Serpent, and once hurled the Odinsword, an enormous mystical blade, through a Celestial! Thor has also single-handedly matched the strength of the Hulk on numerous occasions (the Marvel Universe’s strongest character). Not only that but Thor is capable of entering into a state known as the “Warrior’s Madness”, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold. Some of these feats have no true equivalent in the DC universe. We think at the very least, the two character’s physical strength is equal.
2 . Super Speed
This is Superman’s one true advantage in this fight. Superman is fast. We’re talking warp speed fast. We’re talking once around the entire planet and back before you can blink fast. You could easily make the argument that Thor would be lucky if he even saw Superman before he got pounded. But is Thor as slow as everyone seems to think? Unknown to many DC fanboys Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light (See Thor#140, Thor#274). He can also swing it at TWICE the speed of light (Journey Into Mystery#102). In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. In addition Thor can appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). And, most importantly, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes. And yes, I do need a life). Now if we accept that Superman can move at 99% of the speed of light, and that Thor can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, it stands to reason that big blue is in some trouble. It’s true that Thor doesn’t use his super speed abilities often, but how many times have you seen Superman not use his super speed when he should have?
3. Stanima
Who can take more punishment, Thor or Superman? This is a difficult question. Thor has withstood a blast from Asgardian Destroyer. Superman has withstood a direct hit from a nuclear bomb. Thor has taken everything the Hulk could dish out. Thor also once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Thor has also taken everything that Gladiator (an arguably more powerful version of Superman) could dish out. Both characters have come back from the dead a couple of times. In my mind this one is a draw. Both characters have approximately the same stanima. The difference is Superman has weaknesses (i.e. Kryptonite, Magic, and the fact he is powerless without yellow sunlight) whereas Thor pretty much doesn’t.
4. Magic
Even the most diehard Superman fan would concede that Thor’s magical abilities would be an advantage for Thor. First, I would like to note that just because an opponent can wield magic, it in no way guarantees a win over the last son of Krypton. Superman has defeated countless magic users in the past, and so I have no illusions that just because Thor has magic powers and a magic hammer that he would automatically own Superman. That being said magic is just as lethal against Supes as kryptonite. Superman has no defense against it, and it can affect him greatly. Superman getting pounded by Mjolnir is the same as you and me getting pounded by a normal hammer. And consider the guy who’s swinging it. It’s Thor. The god of thunder. Not only that, but Thor’s lightning is magical too. Remember that just a single lightning bolt is equivalent to 15,000,000 volts of electricity and could travel over 224,000 miles an hour. The clear advantage here goes to Thor.
5. Super Powers
Before Thor inherited the Odinforce, the super powers of these two heroes were a little more even. Now there is absolutely no contest. Thor has a clear edge over Superman here. His magical hammer gives Thor the ability to control the weather, the ability to fly; energy projection and absorption; dimensional apertures; matter manipulation, as well as the most powerful of his offensive powers: the God Blast, and the Anti-Force. Superman is no push over in this department either, with the already mentioned super strength, super speed, as well as heat vision, x-ray vision, enhanced senses, and the ability to blow hurricane force winds from his mouth. But what is that compared to being able to summon an actual hurricane? Not only that but with the Odinforce Thor was then capable of feats such as reconstructing the Earth’s Moon, willing the Asgardian monster Mangog into nothingness, and by focusing his entire power into a hammer throw that even decapitated a Desak-occupied Asgardian Destroyer. Having accepted his heritage as the son of the earth goddess Gaea, he has recently been shown to be capable of opening chasms in the earth itself, and who knows what other abilities he’ll be displaying now that he’s done that.
6. Superman beat Thor in the Avengers / DC Crossover
I don’t want to spend much time on this one. Most fans of comics know how much weight we should give to crossovers. Besides, I personally have no doubt that Superman would beat Galactus in a crossover. He’s DC’s flagship character after all. Enough said on that one.
7. Thor has Thousands of Years of Combat Experience
This is a common argument used by Thor fans to claim that Thor would take down Superman. It seems fairly obvious. If I somehow gained super powers and a Viking Warrior somehow gained the exact same or nearly equivalent powers, most people would put their money on the Viking if we fought each other. Now imagine the Viking warrior was thousands of years older than me, and had been using his powers for all those thousands of years to battle trolls, giants, demons, robots, aliens, and gods, and I have only been using my powers for 20-30 years. It seems clear to me that the Viking Warrior god has a clear cut advantage over me in a fight. Again advantage Thor.
It seems obvious to me that Thor has a clear advantage over Superman in a fight. I don’t think that Thor is so powerful that there is no way that Superman could ever defeat him. But I believe that the majority of the time Thor would beat Superman in a one on one fight, assuming its not a fight to the death. If it is a fight to the death, then I think Thor would almost invariably win. So there you have it, the definitive answer to one of the most talked about and controversial debates in comic book nerdom. Brought to you by your pals at Old-Wizard.com.
Adam, I still haven’t finished catching-up on the other article to start catching-up on here, but even my detractor Caison is asking what you’re smoking.
So, I give numerous examples of Thor beating Hulk, and you show ONE PAGE from ONE FIGHT that has Hulk looking good at that particular moment? How does that prove a fucking thing? Hulk withstands a throw from Mjolnir, is annoyed by Thor’s Old English-based shit-talking, talks some shit himself and punches Thor away. And we see nothing to show the fight’s actually, ya know, OVER.
So, how have I been owned?
@ Adam … Dude , this is a superman vs thor page so you can get off or stay on topic. Second didn’t Superman already beat hulk in a crossover and if not he could. Superman beat doomsday:a virtually indestructable force. Now I don’t know about Thor but I bet he could nock him out with his hammer that he swings faster than light. So next time you come on a random chat page talking about Hulk, make shore it isn’t this one!
@ Thor fans I wasted all my time writing to Adam so i’ll be back…. and oh yeah, who won in the Superman vs Thor crossover? Just wanted to make shore you didn’t forget!
WWH takes Superman and Thor at once in a stomp.
Greg Pak himself said Hulk is more powerful than Thor or Superman.
Grant Morrison also wrote Final Crisis, the wackiest comic event ever.
That being said, Mr Morrison could tell me fire is hot and I would have trouble believing him.
Of course he is going to say something like that, he has a hard on for Flash.
Grant Morrison: “Flash > Galactus” Yeah…Ok…Sure
Using good logic and reason it is easy to know that Superman would win against Thor rather easily. This is because of their huge speed difference. Superman at his fastest will have Thor appearing to be a statue. Superman can literally combo Thor to ko for the win everytime.
Does Thor have the tools to ko or kill Superman? Yes he does. Will Thor get a chance to use those tools in the fight? No! Speeds Kill!!
I can’t believe this is even being debated. Thor would curb stomp Superman.
Also, if Thor can swing his hammer twice the speed of light, and Superman’s speed on earth is limited to Sub-Light speed…you do the math. A magic hammer is going to pound Superman into oblivion.
If Thor was using his full powers, he’d simply teleport Superman into the middle of a Red Sun. Or teleport him to the remains of Krypton.
Batman, a normal human, has defeated or slowed down Superman on several occasions.
Superman has been shown on panel to be tied for strength with Captain Marvel! Neither one can win in armwrestling. GL has outraced him. He’s been KO’ed for 1/2 hour after being hit with 1 measely nuke.
Thor has fought in the core of the Sun!!!!!!!!!!
Also, let’s not forget what Black Adam did to Superman, using magic. Now imagine THOR doing that! This fight is a joke.
Let’s look at Superman’s cast of villians:
Toymaster
Prankster
Lex Luthor
Metallo
I agree. This should not even be a fight. Thor would completely own Superman.
Here are some scenerios:
1) Fight in space: Superman can’t breath. Advantage Thor.
2) Fight near a Red Star. Advantage Thor.
3) Fight on Earth. Superman can’t go too fast or else he destroys everything. Thor can still swing his hammer x3 speed of light (not x2 as the above poster claims)
4) Asgard: Advantage Thor
5) Anywhere away from a yellow Sun: advantage Thor
6) Underwater: Thor has overpowered NAMOR underwater…easily I might add. Plus, Superman can’t breath again. Advantage Thor.
@”Gary” and whoever else, you must get up to date on current comics. Superman now can exceed the speed of light. Actually he was proven to go over thousands of times faster then light when he travels to other star systems in mere moments.
Also due to your comic ignorance Thor can only swing the hammer twice the speed of light after many moments of generating enough speed. This is said in the comics. Meaning, it takes Thor some seconds to accelerate his hammer to twice the speed of light. Lastly, the hammer itself is supplying some of the momentum (as shown in comics). Yes, Thor’s hammer is alive and moves according to Thor’s will. It can fly in circles, straight, and supply part of the striking power to Thor.
And when arguing comics one must use only the best feats of the character (high showings) because they contradict the low ones. For example, Thor was shown to not be bullet proof (got nearly killed when shot and had to go to the hosipital). He was also shown to be so slow that even Hulk, spider-man, Absorbing man, etc. would easily get hits off him. So let’s not be bias here and argue only the high showings ok.
So my argument of:
“Using good logic and reason it is easy to know that Superman would win against Thor rather easily. This is because of their huge speed difference. Superman at his fastest will have Thor appearing to be a statue. Superman can literally combo Thor to ko for the win everytime. Speed Kills!!”
Still stands!
@Leon:
Superman has been hurt by an exploding gas station. He once struggled to lift a pyramid. He’s also struggled to hold up the globe from the daily planet. And no, using only high showings is not right. Most people use the most “consistent” showings. Therefore, if a character is usually depicted as being able to lift at most a 100 tons thoughtout 10 years of writing by different writers, and then all of a sudden pushes a planet, that feat is typically thrown out.
So Spiderman’s highest feat is KOing a Herald of Galactus…I guess we only take Spiderman’s high end feats…so he must be more powerful than the Silver Surfer.
You’re a buffoon.
Also, I guess you don’t know that Superman can’t go faster than 99% the speed of light on Earth, because otherwise he would cause too much collateral damage (This has been stated MANY MANY times on panel). The Flash has no such restrictions. Neither does Thor. I want to see a scan stating it takes Thor time to get his hammer twice the speed of light. Its simply not true. And I’ve seen him swing it 3x light speed myself. Thor has also been shown fast enough to fight the Silver Surfer, Hermes, Hyperion and Gladiator. Superman has been shown to be “so slow” that Batman has been able to punch him, so has Metallo, who is a robot. Let’s see, who else has been able to punch Superman? God…. GL, the Adversary, Mohammad Ali, Venom, the Parasite, regular missiles, Giant Gorillas, Alien insects, Lex Luthor in a mechanical suit….
So not sure what your point is with Thor being hit by Spiderman. Maybe you just have never heard of PIS.
So if Superman can combo Thor so fast, why has he never done that to…ANYONE before? Why hasn’t Silver Surfer done that to Thor?
What you must understand that when arguing characters the more recent characters are argued and the highest feats are used unless they contradict the entire history of a character. It was stated on panel that Superman received an upgrade since John Byrne’s Superman. It was stated on panel that Superman can exceed light speed, is much stronger, more durable, etc. So arguing feats for a character that no longer exist is stupid. The low feats you pointed out were more inconsistent than his high ones (which are not inconsistent at all). But you don’t make the rules here sir. I argue high feats for all unless they contradiction the entire history of a character (spider-man and firelord).
Actually Superman can and has exceeded the speed of light in Earth’s atmosphere recently. So you don’t know what you are talking about. I’m arguing power sets anyway and it is clear with Superman’s power set he would beat Thor every time rather easily.
Superman has comboed speed blitzed several times. He was shown to speed blitz combo so fast on panel that he exceeded the speed of his HV (which was proven on panel to travel light speed). The reason you don’t see it happening in comics too often is because it wouldn’t make a good story. “Oh Superman and SS speed blitz the first panel”. Fight over, comic over. Boring. It doesn’t mean they can’t or have the ability to do it. Grow a brain.
Superman wins easily due to comboing Thor to ko before Thor can react.
@Rick.
What you must understand that when arguing characters the more recent characters are argued and the highest feats are used unless they contradict the entire history of a character. It was stated on panel that Superman received an upgrade since John Byrne’s Superman. It was stated on panel that Superman can exceed light speed, is much stronger, more durable, etc. So arguing feats for a character that no longer exist is stupid. The low feats you pointed out were more inconsistent than his high ones (which are not inconsistent at all). But you don’t make the rules here sir. I argue high feats for all unless they contradiction the entire history of a character (spider-man and firelord).
Actually Superman can and has exceeded the speed of light in Earth’s atmosphere recently. So you don’t know what you are talking about. I’m arguing power sets anyway and it is clear with Superman’s power set he would beat Thor every time rather easily.
Superman has comboed speed blitzed several times. He was shown to speed blitz combo so fast on panel that he exceeded the speed of his HV (which was proven on panel to travel light speed). The reason you don’t see it happening in comics too often is because it wouldn’t make a good story. “Oh Superman and SS speed blitz the first panel”. Fight over, comic over. Boring. It doesn’t mean they can’t or have the ability to do it. Grow a brain.
Superman wins easily due to comboing Thor to ko before Thor can react.
@Leon:
If you went to any other site that debates comic book vs fights (like KMC or CBR), you would probably be laughed off the site in a matter of minutes. No one else I’ve ever talked to believes that we should only consider high end feats. That’s just stupid. Its pretty obvious from my avatar that I am a DC fan, and I will say other posters are correct that Superman cannot exceed certain speeds on the Earth (see the Doomsday fight, and plenty of other examples). The nature of his powers would destroy an entire city. And Superman wouldn’t do that. Also, there are countless examples showing that Thor can react to speedsters. So your arguments are pretty flawed.
I’ve seen Superman unleash EVERYTHING he’s had against opponents, and not once have I ever seen him speed blitz someone so fast that they couldn’t even react. I want to see scans. Superman’s interstellar TRAVEL speed might be FTL, but his COMBAT speed is not. Fact.
The only reason why superman can win against thor is if the writers(like they always do) write him some new powers or bring up some old ones that he never uses so he can rise to the occassion and writer would write some of thors powers out. Matching superman and thor hand to hand, power to power, Thor is more powerful. Its no question thor stright out powers him. There really aint to much superman can through at him that he couldnt handle. Super speed, is that it. heat vision..oh no..and thats supposed to win the fight against thor (im not under estimating those powers, just saying its not enough for a class superhero like thor). Superman has plenty of Crazy feats that he has displayed in D.C. But Thor has enough also to match him. If Thor lost to superman it would be because he under estimated him (prime example rulk, or juggs) But promise if they were to fight a second time superman isnt coming out on top (just my opinion though)
They are both pretty inconsistent with their feats so arguing who had did what in comics is a losing battle for both sides.
Now im not saying at all that just because Thor is more powerful he will be able to pull out the win easily on superman. By no streach of the imigination will that happen. i believe Thors powers will grant him the upperhand. And i believe i read somewhere that someone said pc wonder women takes out thor….wonder women is bad dont get me wrong..but no way can she match thor..i think wwh hulk can beat wonder women..shoot i think juggs can take on wonder women..gladitor can take on wonder women..and these are all people thor has feats over(except juggs..i think) but thats just mah opinion
@rick
Here is the only scan I have of it (don’t have many Superman comics but I’ve read many). I’ve seen others but unfortunately I don’t have the comics to give you the scans.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6441/ftlspeedblitz.jpg
With that shown. I and many others argue that if a character can do it then he/she will do it (under common sense reason to win the fight of course). It is clear that Superman HAS the ability to speedblitz. Whether he uses in comics frequently is immaterial. This is more of a theoretical argument and not of one of which will actually occur in the comic.
Imagine fighting a still dummy. Can the dummy actually beat you? No! Because the dummy can’t move.
Superman is so fast that Thor would appear to be a statue (dummy). Do you know what a combination is?
It is a series of hits where each hit is delivered before the stunning effect of the previous hit wears off. After Superman hits Thor for the first time he will chain other hits in to form a combo into Thor is koed for the win. Speed Kills!
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6668/doomsdayrex118xm.jpg
How fast is he going? You realize I can show you scans of Spiderman that LOOK just like that, right? So what?
(also shows Kryptonite hurting him which made me laugh)
How is this for a speed combo?
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5269/robotkz6.jpg
Nothing there that has to be light speed.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6441/ftlspeedblitz.jpg
Leon: This still doesn’t prove anything. Again, I’ve seen Spiderman blurring while dodging bullets. I guess he’s too fast for Thor too.
Remember when Superman broke into Luthor’s office and Luthor had the kryptonite ring on and Luthor said something like, “I could just stand here right now until you died and claim I had no idea why you were dying but that’s not how I want to play this little game of ours. When I kill you, it won’t be some cheap sneak attack. Now get out of my office.” Then helped Superman walk and tossed him out the door.
http://superherouniverse.com/superheroes/images/jonah-hex/wallpaper/jonah-vs-superman.jpg
where was superman’s BILLIONS OF TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED reaction time to save him here? sad thing is, guy doesn’t even have any powers.
@rick
You said,
“Leon: This still doesn’t prove anything. Again, I’ve seen Spiderman blurring while dodging bullets. I guess he’s too fast for Thor too.”
I showed you a scan of Superman exceeding light speed in an atmosphere. Thus that isn’t a mere blur. And spider-man did engage Thor once in comics. Spider-man showed that he had the superior speed indeed. Spider-man was shown to be too fast for Thor for the most part.
@Leon
Rick has never understand the meaning of the comic books, just because He sees somebody after image, it imples (to him) That, Spiderman is moving at light speed, even though He has never moved at light speed or even hyper sonic speeds.
Spiderman being represented leaving after images is just a representation that He moves as fast as a spider and His senses Help him to dodge incomming attack.
While in the case of Superman, leaving after images means that He is moving at least faster than the eye can catch the light.
But Rick does not understand that, because He is a troll.
I’m finally done with you Rick
I know this is a Thor Vs Superman(and I’m probably gonna have a lot of haters for showing this)but I like to show this cards.Its a Marvel Vs DC Cards.Check out the one who wrote the article on the Hulk.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kilotwo/277564939/in/set-72157594341795296/
If any one has trouble reading it, here’s what it says at the back of the card.
“You’d expect a brutish-looking creature called the Hulk to live up to his name, but this “monster” possess a brilliant, scientific mind. Still, he’s one of the strongest beings I’ve ever encountered.I hope I don’t have to find out just how strong.”
-”Clark Kent”
We all know who Clark Kent(aka Superman) is.The Hulk he defeated(via fan votes) in Marvel Vs DC is the Prof.Hulk Version(w/c is 1 of his weaker incarnations by the way).For him to state that he doesn’t want to find out “just how strong” the Hulk is is like saying “I don’t want another fight with the Hulk.”If Prof.Hulk was enough to scare him, then What do you think will he say about World Breaker Hulk?Thor has beaten Hulk multiple times.So I say Thor can beat Superman as well.
Note:If anyone here has any complains about the Marvel Vs DC cards I’ve shown, Don’t complain to me.Bring your complain to Clark Kent(aka Superman) since he’s the one who wrote the article/profile on the Hulk.Not me.
@Reporter
I won’t complain to anyone, not even to “Clark Kent”
“Because he wrote this note”
That sounds to me, that “Clark” will not like to find out how strong Hulk could be, because in theory, he has infinite strenght, in practice (aka WWH) He is at Planet busting level.
Why should this be a concern for Superman? When he clearly can do the same?
And you seem to forget or probably don’t know that Superman defeated Thor.
@Alberto
The card I posted was just to show that even Clark Kent(aka Superman) doesn’t underestimate even characters from Marvel.
“I won’t complain to anyone, not even to “Clark Kent”
“Because he wrote this note”
That sounds to me, that “Clark” will not like to find out how strong Hulk could be, because in theory, he has infinite strenght, in practice (aka WWH) He is at Planet busting level.
Why should this be a concern for Superman? When he clearly can do the same?
And you seem to forget or probably don’t know that Superman defeated Thor.”
I’ve read a lot of old post here in OW.A lot of Superman fans had claimed that Superman can allegedly lift “Infinite Weight(w/c I believe is Hyperbole).”And this fans have no problem believing Superman can lift Infinite yet they have trouble believing Sentry has a million exploding suns(w/c I also believe is Hyperbole).But I think Sentry’s million exploding suns has a better chance of being proven true than Superman lifting infinite weight.In 1 issue, Sentry cured an autistic child using his powers suggesting that Sentry only emits light not UV Rays that everyone thought of.Still the million exploding suns is still hyperbole since the power of the explosions is not measured.And for U to state Superman can do the same thing that Hulk can do is the same as conceding that Hulk has Infinite Strength(again might be Hyperbole).So Thor can go toe to toe w/ Superman(who allegedly has Infinite Strength) since he has battled Hulk.I know that U might say Hulk doesn’t have the same powers as Superman but my point is strength doesn’t matter to Thor.As for who’s the better fighter between Thor & Superman.Its not true that Thor is fist first in a fight.This only happens when he fights brutes like Hulk & Juggernaut.I can give issues were Thor uses his skills in fighting when he fights other people.The Absorbing Man, when he acquire Thor’s powers and could not defeat him, he said: “It ain’t fair!!!” “What’s good my strength, my power if I can’t land a blow?”, “I didn’t know it was gonna be like this!!!” The very same thing happened to Warlock, to the Juggernaut (when Thor took his invulnerable force field), Mr. Hyde (Thor#106), also, Pluto and Ares (the god of war) when Thor really cut loose in Blood And Thunder. In addition, Thor outclassed in the strength department, defeated Ares who triple his strength-Thor-#223, and had Ulik on the ropes irrespective of the fact that Ulik augmented his strength several times over, defeated the Android Zotarr-Thor-#238, but the most impressive victory of all was when Thor defeated Grog the god crusher without his powers, super-strength, and being a mortal-Thor-#397. To put it simply, Thor’s skills are simply phenomenal. However, the best testimony of Thor’s power and skills came from the mouth of none other than Captain America. In Thor-#390, Captain America said when he lifted Thor’s hammer, “I’ve never wielded such LIMITLESS POWER before!” “It’s almost intoxicating!” In Avengers-#4 (vol.1), Captain America said, “Thor’s hammer!” “It’s the most AWESOME weapon I’ve ever seen!” Finally, in Avengers-Annual-#18, Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, “He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war.” “His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries.”Thor also defeated cosmic beings who are smarter than him.Check out Ego’s stats in Marvel Series 3 Cards.
http://marvel.com/i/content/st/1066new_storyimage9937400_full.jpg
Ego has a fighting ability of 7 and an intelligence of 5. 2 things are possible to defeat Ego.
1.A being should be smarter than Ego(w/c is impossible for Thor).
2.A being acted smart & has a superior fighting ability than Ego.
Number 2 is the possible answer on how Thor defeated Ego since he is also equipped w/ a lot of Magical Arsenal.
I know about Superman beating Thor.That can be considered PIS.Still we wont hear Thor saying “I hope I don’t have to find out how strong Superman is” or Hulk saying “I hope I don’t have to find out how strong Superman is.”Contrary to the Marvel Vs DC Card about the Article/Profile on the Hulk by Clark Kent(aka Superman) were he says “I hope I don’t have to find out just how strong.”I smell fear when he said that.
@Everyone
Again, If anyone has any complain on the Marvel Vs DC Cards Article/Profile written by Clark Kent(aka Superman) about the Hulk.Please bring your complain to Clark Kent since he’s the one who wrote the Article/Profile.Not me.In case any one is wondering, Clark Kent wrote the Article/Profile on the Marvel Characters(Heroes & Villains) while Peter Parker(aka Spiderman) wrote the Article/Profile on the DC Characters(Heroes & Villains).
@Reporter
Clark Kent, will not underestimate a foe from Marvel, that will be bad from Him, Hulk or Thor are not enemies to underestimate.
The Infinite weight, feat, ad shown by Grant Morrison, Implies that Superman and CM are in fact lifting a book with the Multiverse growing inside.
I have demonstrate this over and over again.
It does NOT state that it has infinite weight, but you can rest assured, that if it has the multiverse inside, even if it is a shrunk Multiverse, the end result is the same, EVERY TIME.
So, Superman and CM are in fact LIFTING a book with the multiverse inside. There is no way around it.
Superman, WW and Kyle, also slow the weight of eternity. It never says that eternity weights infinite, it says that eternity weights a lot
Superman and GL wrestled Earth from Starbreaker, Earth is already outside of it’s orbital trench and it is also being pulled by the Sun’s gravity. Superman and GL are trying to save the earth, In the end they succeed.
I will not like to push the infinite book, anymore, because somehow, someway, after it’s being showed that in fact the book has the multiverse inside, because in fact they say it HAS the multiverse inside. People says that is inconsistent with the character.
I don’t see why this feat is inconsistent with the character, when he has done the Starbreaker feat and the Eternity feat. AND SO FAR, NO ONE HAS ANSWERED THIS QUESTION.
The book feat you can take it as a hyperbole, I don’t care, but the starbreaker feat and the eternity feat, there is no way you can call them hyperboles. They are in fact there. and in both Superman is pulling so much more than a single planet. With help, you might say,but is still pretty impressive.
I personally,don’t think WW can lift a planet by herself.
I thik GL speciallt Kyle and Hal can pull a planet by themselves.
This makes the starbreaker and the eternity feats, REALLY impresive.
They are shown against a force heavier than at least 5 planets in the eternity feat, which I believe Eternity, does not weight only 5 planets.
And a force heavier than at least 4 planets in the Starbreaker feat.
4 and 5 are only used to give it a value, but clearly is more than that.
As for Thor vs Superman, on who is a better fighter.
Thor USUALLY goes fist first, AND when he stars loosing He uses his brains.
On to who is a better fighter, that is arguable, Superman took Owlman, Ultraman and Superwoman to school really easy AT THE SAME TIME. On that fight He states that he has learned from Diana and Bruce. Pardon my disbelieve, but I think those two are probably the best teachers in the comic book world.
Diana is much better fighter than Thor, and Batman well you know. On top of being trained By WW and Batman, He practices Kryptonian Martial arts and has at least 1000 years of fighting experience in Asgard, along side DC Thor, which by the way got killed in the war. Plus another 1000 years in the battle with GOG.
So onto who is a better fighter, that is arguably, what is not arguably is that Superman is a SMARTER fighter.
Captain America talking about Thor:
“I’ve never wielded such LIMITLESS POWER before!” “It’s almost intoxicating!”
How many Cosmic weapons has Cap Held on his hands?
This is understandable, because Cap does not have any powers. And that is a given, everybody knows about Mjolnir, that has nothing to do with his skills as a warrior
Captain America said, “Thor’s hammer!” “It’s the most AWESOME weapon I’ve ever seen!”
Same as before
Captain America stated this about Thor’s skills, “He is an expert combatant, having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war.” “His understanding of tactics and strategies ENCOMPASSES the teaching of cultures over several centuries.”
Well, he has to learn something after so many years in war, right?, What amazes me the most is that even after so many wars Thor has been in, Captain America, whose only war experience is that of WW2 is a far better tactician and warrior than Thor. Not only that, but it seems to me that HUMAN WAR TACTICS are far better and more advanced that MEDIEVAL GOD WAR TACTICS.
Against Ego.
Mjolnir did most of the work, nuff said
Superman defeating Thor PIS
I have posted this one over and over again.
Busiek, who wrote the story, declared on an interview, that He gave the fight to Superman because He saw Superman more powerful than Thor (Remember this is not OF Thor). He gave the fight to him not because Superman is the flagship character, but because he is more powerful at least on Busiek’s eyes. Prior to that, Busiek was writing the Avengers, so He was well aware of Thor powers and He had a better chance to underestimate Superman Than Thor. BTW Busiek got Superman defeated on his first comic as a JLA writer.
ONE of the main purposes of the Superman vs Thor fight WAS TO PUT AN END ONCE AND FOR ALL, WHO WAS WHO, Between Thor and Superman.
Just to put this in short IT WAS NOT PIS.
“I hope I don’t have to find out just how strong.”
if you smell fear, that is your own interpretation of the sentence, What I see is Clark being as respectful as He usually is, after all Isn’t He the big blue boy scout?
Complain to Clark Kent
Clark, since you were raised by humble farmers and they teach you how to be a humble human, who respects life, people often tend to think you are a wimp and a pussy. They do not understand the values in which you were raised. You respect life so much to the point of not even killing insects. and live and move in a world made out of paper for you. I understand how hard it might be for you, just to move around, But I will like to ask you, Don’t be so humble, people misunderstand Humbleness with fear and nice with lack of power. Next time, just say it as it is. “Hulk? Isn’t that the guy who is weaker than Doomsday?”
Please
Best
Alberto
People need to understand that Superman had the greatest instructor of the whole universe. Batman is the best in martial arts and WW is a strong warrior that know how to fight and resist to magic. You know, WW isn’t that weak. I honestly think that PC WW could beat Thor anytime, maybe even Odin Thor. With all the weapons she had from the gods, it wouldn’t be a long fight. She also possesses a sword (forged by Hephaestus) that is sharp enough to cut the electrons off an atom. That would be a good fight.
You do realize that Odin Force Thor at his most powerful is a galaxy buster, right?
Damn, did I hurt your feelings by saying Wonder Woman would lose. I am beginning to see why Rick insults you. No need to call people stupid just because they don’t think PC Wonder Woman is more powerful than the most powerful skyfather ever.
Nothing you’ve shown would put her in the same league as a skyfather. Especially one who is stated to be more powerful than the most powerful skyfather. Odin has destroyed entire dimensions, galaxies and sent ripples across the entire universe. He can MAKE magic weapons like WW’s lasso.
WW has always been under rated. But she is a really strong superhero. Maybe, because she is a woman.
I don’t know any superhero woman as powerful as WW, Except for Supergirl, Maxima, Jeniffer and maybe Wanda. I’m not counting Phoenix.
WW usually defeats Ares. Ares is no small God. and that is in modern times. I can see WW defeating Hercules.
But when it comes to a PC kryptonian VS OF Thor. There is no contest at all. Hands down, I’ll choose a PC SUPERMAN. Odin may be able to destroy galaxies, PC Superman snuff them out. NO CONTEST THERE.
This is an objective statement, based on what I have seen of PC SUPERMAN VS ODIN.
One thing that I will like to point out. I have not seen OF THOR portrayed as powerful as his dad, that is why I don’t see impresive feats. Other than willing the moon back ans sutur to nothingness. This feats are magical in essence, and seeing a magical beings willing something is a thing of everyday. That is why it does not look that impresive, however assuming that Thor indeed had the full force of Odin, is easy to assume that He was at least as powerful as his dad.
Too bad the writters Do not know how to display that type of power. and that is why it gives the impresion that He is not all that.
Even the feat of OF Thor killing everyone can be matched in Curent Superman scans. But that is not the point. The point is that the writters do not know how to handle a character with OF and put him strugling with a blast that could shatter earth.
This should never happen with the real ODIN.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Thor/Thor_600_031.jpg?t=1260217413
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Thor/Thor_600_030.jpg?t=1260217446
Now for those who claim, that Thor as a fighter is even better than Cap.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Thor/ThorBloodOath402.jpg?t=1260217545
Are you aware, that Herc is using a fighting style called Greco-Roman style? Yep, the same they teach at High school. Thor is getting bested by a guy using Greco-Roman fighting style!!!
What is deadlier Batman’s style or Herc style?
BTW, Thor won in the end, but not with his fist
Correction is not “sutur” Mangog
@Rick
“What does Batman being a martial artist have to do with Superman vs Thor???
What does WW have to do with Superman vs Thor???”
You shouldn’t be doing those questions here kid.
After all what does Mexico City being dirty has anything to do with the whole argument.
Shadows point has a relation with the topic.
Superman learned from Batman and WW, THAT is the relation.
But since most of the time you are trolling, you don’t see hte points here.
I actually wonder, why is it that you have never answered how old are you?
My guess is that you are between 12 and 17 maybe 18
What is it kid?
@Zeromage
Zeromage wrote:
“First we excluded all super villains, this is heroes only, next we eliminated all exorbitantly overpowered cosmic beings (Phoenix, Odin, or the Highfather). And finally we ignored all heroes that would be considered ‘normal’ but have similar powers as those listed below.”
Question 1:
Is the Thor on this list Full Odin Force Thor? or is He Plot device Odin Force Thor as seen in his fight against RULK?
Which pretty much puts him, close to his regular level, except for a few extra powers.
Zeromage wrote:
“Before Thor inherited the Odinforce, the super powers of these two heroes were a little more even. Now there is absolutely no contest.”
Question 2:
Why when you make the Superman vs Thor forum You match Superman against a OF Thor? That seems to me that YOU wanted Thor to win and tried to give him as much advantage as you could. If is FULL OF Thor He should not even be considered for this topic.
Why you did not match FULL ODIN FORCE THOR, VS PC SUPERMAN, SUPERMAN ONE MILLION OR THOUGHT ROBOT SUPERMAN?
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Yeah, I need to get one myself. I’ve been meaning to.
One thing is I think we can count all of Odin’s feats for Odin Force Thor, since Thor has been stated many times to be MORE powerful than Odin when he has FULL ODIN FORCE.
@President Steve
Still at those levels of power adding Thor Power to the mix it will be like incresing it 10%?
And Odin feats are Odin’s, We assume that Thor MAY be able to replicate them.
well, not even 10%…also consider, thor hasn’t had the odin force for as long as odin…so im sure he’s not used to using it…and learning new abilities all the time.
How is that FULL OF THOR is more powerful than his dad?
Why, and how much more powerful?
Are You assuming that FULL OF THOR can snuff out galaxies, juggle planets and pull 100 planets with out any effort?
and most important, does he poesseses Super-Eeaving and Super-Kiss?
How is that FULL OF THOR is more powerful than his dad?
Why, and how much more powerful?
Are You assuming that FULL OF THOR can snuff out galaxies, juggle planets and pull 100 planets with out any effort?
and most important, does he poesseses Super-Weaving and Super-Kiss?
“well, not even 10%…also consider, thor hasn’t had the odin force for as long as odin…so im sure he’s not used to using it…and learning new abilities all the time”
Wait a second here. Doesn’t he has only a little bit of OF left? which is pretty much plot device OF?
Didn’t He spent most of the OF repairing Mjolnir?
Yeah, currently, he has very little left. But even when he had it, we can’t assume he was very knowledgable or skilled with it. (having had it for a very short amount of time). He kept losing more and more it during the JMS arc. Marvel luckily realized that no one would want to read a comic book about a skyfather.
Small examples of Odin’s power were he destroyed entire galaxies in his battles with Seth in an effort that shook the entire universe and tore at the very fabric of the multiverse. He, again, rattled across the entire universe in his battle with Forsung, which blew away planets like dry sand castles, and created heat so intense entire burning stars were created in its wake, as they blew each other to the ends of the universe. Odin battled Infinity in a confrontation that could be seen as far away as from Earth (Earth was just about destroyed), as the very laws of physics were being warped across the entire Unvierse (of course, Odin would eventually go on to lose to Infinity). Casual stuff such as teleporting all the people of Earth to another dimension, creating powerful artifacts, wiping out populations, creating a realm complete with false gods, waving his hand over a regular apple — giving the apple the power to warp reality over entire planets, or shattering the Sword of Doom can also be considered.
Yeah, Odin has some INSANE feats. I wonder who would win if all the Guardians and the GLs fought all of Asgard with Odin….
Any opinions?
Nice, still I’ll keep my guy. He snuff out a galaxy and that was a clumsy accident.
But nice indeed. That is why I can’t argue Modern Superman VS Full OF Thor.