The Mighty Thor and Superman are the heavy-hitters of Marvel and DC respectively, each of them arguably the most powerful hero in their respective universes. So its natural that this is without question the most discussed versus debate amongst comic book fans. No other versus battle comes close to being talked about as much than this one. Try to start a “Superman vs Thor” thread on any forum and the first response is sure to be: “Not this again”.
Some of you may remember our “Top 10 Most Powerful Superheroes” list that we released a while back, where we made the controversial claim that Thor was the most powerful superhero of all time (Superman coming in at number three on that list). Months later we are still receiving emails either agreeing with us, or flaming us for that decision. Many fans cite Superman’s speed as the deciding factor in any fight between the two behemoths. Other emails claim that Thor’s magical powers would be enough to stop the man of steel in his tracks. So, the natural question is, do we still stand by our claim that Thor is more powerful than Superman? The answer is still “yes.” In this article we’ll break down the seven most common arguments and give you our take on them.
1. Super Strength
The claim has often been made that Superman is stronger than Thor. Many times on versus forums threads this claim is accepted as a given by both sides of the debate. We don’t concede that the Man of Steel is physically stronger than the god of thunder though. Thor has performed feats such as lifting the World Serpent, and once hurled the Odinsword, an enormous mystical blade, through a Celestial! Thor has also single-handedly matched the strength of the Hulk on numerous occasions (the Marvel Universe’s strongest character). Not only that but Thor is capable of entering into a state known as the “Warrior’s Madness”, which will temporarily increase his strength tenfold. Some of these feats have no true equivalent in the DC universe. We think at the very least, the two character’s physical strength is equal.
2 . Super Speed
This is Superman’s one true advantage in this fight. Superman is fast. We’re talking warp speed fast. We’re talking once around the entire planet and back before you can blink fast. You could easily make the argument that Thor would be lucky if he even saw Superman before he got pounded. But is Thor as slow as everyone seems to think? Unknown to many DC fanboys Thor can throw his hammer at the speed of light (See Thor#140, Thor#274). He can also swing it at TWICE the speed of light (Journey Into Mystery#102). In Thor -#393- it’s established that the speed of Thor’s hammer TRANSCENDS both TIME & SPACE. In addition Thor can appear anywhere across the Universe or other dimensions in just seconds (see- FF#339, and Thor#166). And, most importantly, Thor could, visually, detect objects that move at fantastic speeds (this happened when Thor was the target of artillery fire- see Invaders#33- and Avengers-#281- when he saw the speedy Hermes. And yes, I do need a life). Now if we accept that Superman can move at 99% of the speed of light, and that Thor can swing his hammer at twice the speed of light, it stands to reason that big blue is in some trouble. It’s true that Thor doesn’t use his super speed abilities often, but how many times have you seen Superman not use his super speed when he should have?
3. Stanima
Who can take more punishment, Thor or Superman? This is a difficult question. Thor has withstood a blast from Asgardian Destroyer. Superman has withstood a direct hit from a nuclear bomb. Thor has taken everything the Hulk could dish out. Thor also once took a glancing hit by a Doomsday Bomb that was capable of destroying an entire planet, and soon after that explosion he fell from space (leaving a crater miles wide) to a planet called Pangoria-see Thor#387. Thor has also taken everything that Gladiator (an arguably more powerful version of Superman) could dish out. Both characters have come back from the dead a couple of times. In my mind this one is a draw. Both characters have approximately the same stanima. The difference is Superman has weaknesses (i.e. Kryptonite, Magic, and the fact he is powerless without yellow sunlight) whereas Thor pretty much doesn’t.
4. Magic
Even the most diehard Superman fan would concede that Thor’s magical abilities would be an advantage for Thor. First, I would like to note that just because an opponent can wield magic, it in no way guarantees a win over the last son of Krypton. Superman has defeated countless magic users in the past, and so I have no illusions that just because Thor has magic powers and a magic hammer that he would automatically own Superman. That being said magic is just as lethal against Supes as kryptonite. Superman has no defense against it, and it can affect him greatly. Superman getting pounded by Mjolnir is the same as you and me getting pounded by a normal hammer. And consider the guy who’s swinging it. It’s Thor. The god of thunder. Not only that, but Thor’s lightning is magical too. Remember that just a single lightning bolt is equivalent to 15,000,000 volts of electricity and could travel over 224,000 miles an hour. The clear advantage here goes to Thor.
5. Super Powers
Before Thor inherited the Odinforce, the super powers of these two heroes were a little more even. Now there is absolutely no contest. Thor has a clear edge over Superman here. His magical hammer gives Thor the ability to control the weather, the ability to fly; energy projection and absorption; dimensional apertures; matter manipulation, as well as the most powerful of his offensive powers: the God Blast, and the Anti-Force. Superman is no push over in this department either, with the already mentioned super strength, super speed, as well as heat vision, x-ray vision, enhanced senses, and the ability to blow hurricane force winds from his mouth. But what is that compared to being able to summon an actual hurricane? Not only that but with the Odinforce Thor was then capable of feats such as reconstructing the Earth’s Moon, willing the Asgardian monster Mangog into nothingness, and by focusing his entire power into a hammer throw that even decapitated a Desak-occupied Asgardian Destroyer. Having accepted his heritage as the son of the earth goddess Gaea, he has recently been shown to be capable of opening chasms in the earth itself, and who knows what other abilities he’ll be displaying now that he’s done that.
6. Superman beat Thor in the Avengers / DC Crossover
I don’t want to spend much time on this one. Most fans of comics know how much weight we should give to crossovers. Besides, I personally have no doubt that Superman would beat Galactus in a crossover. He’s DC’s flagship character after all. Enough said on that one.
7. Thor has Thousands of Years of Combat Experience
This is a common argument used by Thor fans to claim that Thor would take down Superman. It seems fairly obvious. If I somehow gained super powers and a Viking Warrior somehow gained the exact same or nearly equivalent powers, most people would put their money on the Viking if we fought each other. Now imagine the Viking warrior was thousands of years older than me, and had been using his powers for all those thousands of years to battle trolls, giants, demons, robots, aliens, and gods, and I have only been using my powers for 20-30 years. It seems clear to me that the Viking Warrior god has a clear cut advantage over me in a fight. Again advantage Thor.
It seems obvious to me that Thor has a clear advantage over Superman in a fight. I don’t think that Thor is so powerful that there is no way that Superman could ever defeat him. But I believe that the majority of the time Thor would beat Superman in a one on one fight, assuming its not a fight to the death. If it is a fight to the death, then I think Thor would almost invariably win. So there you have it, the definitive answer to one of the most talked about and controversial debates in comic book nerdom. Brought to you by your pals at Old-Wizard.com.
What can superman do? Punch? Eye beam? What a varied arsenal! Thor can block or even absorb enough energy to destroy a GALAXY. Eye beams are useless. He use MAGIC lightning, a godblast, energy drain (bye bye solar radiation), soul suck, stop time, etc. etc.
If Parasite can drain Superman and render him powerless…imagine what Thor can do!
Thor has taken planet busting attacks so many times and survived its ridiculous. Superman…AT MOST…is a planet-buster.
Superman has proven he can be beaten by far inferior opponents time and time again. Uh….Lex Luthor and Batman being two normal humans who have both defeated Superman. In fact, Lex spared Superman’s life because it would make his life boring to have no more Superman! Metallo, a robot, has beaten Superman. Lobo has owned him (So has GL, Martian Manhunter, Captain Marvel, the Parasite, Supergirl, etc.). Its more a question of who HASN’T defeated him in the DC universe.
Thor FTW.
Oh there are so many things wrong with your posts that it’s rather amusing.
And what exactly does Thor do the majority of the time in most of his fights? PUNCH!! HAMMER SWING!! OCCASIONAL LIGHTNING STRIKE!!! WINDS THAT DON’T EVEN MANAGE TO DO ANYTHING TO ANYONE WHO ISN’T BEYOND NORMAL HUMAN STRENGTH!!!! Yeah Thor sure shows his versatility. And how many times has Thor actually USED the God-Essence Blast against those who aren’t like Galactus? Juggernaut I believe is the only one, and between his durability and enchantment that was enough to have Thor do it. And doesn’t it take some time to actually accomplish and drain him quite a bit(since it’s using some of his life-force)? Why he rarely uses it.
Magick lightning hasn’t shown any more serious effect against Superman just BECAUSE it’s magick. Sure you could say Thor can hurt Superman with his lightning, but because he can make it a lot more powerful than a normal lightning bolt, not because it’s magick. And how often does he use the energy drain? Even less than Silver Surfer, not to mention Superman has a couple of abilities that could potentially counter an energy drain.
Using Parasite as an example really doesn’t work, since Parasite isn’t actually draining the energy of Superman. His powers work differently than an energy drain you’re talking about. So no, using Parasite fails.
Superman is a Planet-Buster at best? He’s got feats much more impressive than busting planets. Like slowing down and lifting infinite weight(or the “weight of eternity” in the slowing-down example), containing a miniature black hole keeping it from expanding, and sealing holes in reality with Heat Vision. So yeah that doesn’t work. Superman’s also taken so many Above-Planet-Busting attacks and survived that it’s also ridiculous.
And Thor’s also been defeated by weaker opponents, like Hulk for example. For someone who’s on par with Hulk in strength, much more versatile, and supposed to be such an experienced and skilled warrior, I’d say it looks a lot worse for Thor losing to the world’s strongest retard than Superman “losing” to Lex Luthor. Your example of Luthor sparing his life is something I’ve never heard of, and how Lex “beats” Superman really doesn’t work in your argument. And Batman has NEVER beaten Superman in any in-continuity examples I’ve ever seen, nor has anyone provided a legitimate example. Fuck, even the ONLY example people actually bring-up, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, does not even HAVE Batman winning, not to mention it’s not canon.
Using Metallo is pretty stupid, since he’s a really fucking strong and durable robot with Superman’s true weakness(and can use it a lot more than just exposing Superman to it) plus some cyber-based shape-shifting powers that have come in handy.
Only time Lobo’s owned Superman was against a much weaker Superman, and has lost or drawn at best every fight since. And this is assuming that their first fight wasn’t out-right retconned like was supposed to happen in a DC FIRST one-shot. Oh and technically Lobo didn’t even win the first fight against Superman, to my knowledge. WINNING, yes, but ultimately was out-smarted.
And when has Green Lantern owned Superman? Or Martian Manhunter out-side the whole Fernus thing? Captain Marvel has only ever owned Superman with strike-amping combined with a sucker-punch, otherwise he’s only at best matched Superman for every fight I know of. And sure doesn’t help the argument that a worn Superman(from fighting a huge group of villains then a team of Power Girl, a GL, Captain Atom and Starfire) while being weakened to an unknown degree by Kryptonite for a while, was still able to look superior to a fresh Captain Marvel even after CM had used a flying super-speed dive-bomb punch as a sucker-punch against Superman.
The Supergirl example? Yeah if you’re using what I think you are, there were implications that Supergirl was much more powerful than she normally would be due to long-term exposure to solar energy from those panels in her ship, and she was pretty much going all-out from the beginning, not holding back like Superman was raised to do. Superman also showed her who was boss.
As to Gladiator being a more powerful version of Superman? sigh.
The fact is this is a serious misconception. Gladiator is NOT a more powerful version of Superman. The feats people use claiming that Gladiator is more powerful not only are matched and surpassed by Superman, in multiple cases surpassed by Superman when he was weaker than he is now, but were only shown under ONE writer over 20 years ago. And while still canon, aren’t exactly indicative of how Gladiator’s portrayed now.
Gladiator had destroyed a planet of unknown size in 3-4 punches.
SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL #31: Superman casually destroys a meteorite so big it was stated to be capable of “demolishing” the Earth. With one shot. Going by the current theory for how the Moon was formed, this asteroid was likely bigger than Mars, so certainly planet-sized. Comparable at the least to Gladiator, since we have no idea how big the planet Gladiator destroyed was, but we have an idea of at least how big the asteroid Superman destroyed was(and it didn’t take him more than one shot). And Superman’s become far more powerful since.
LEX 2000: Superman splits one of Saturn’s moons in half. Again, comparable since we don’t know how big Gladiator’s planet was that he busted, and Superman required one shot. And again is more powerful currently than he was then.
ACTION COMICS #764: While under Kryptonite poisoning, Superman takes-out his frustrations on the Moon. Martian Manhunter states if Superman doesn’t stop, that he’ll knock the Moon out of orbit. So, a Superman who, even at peak power during this time, was much weaker than current Superman, nearly knocked the Moon out of orbit while under Kryptonite poisoning. Comparable I’d say.
JLA #77: Superman containing a miniature black hole and keeping it from expanding is a lot more impressive than destroying a planet of unknown size.
SUPERMAN VERSUS DARKSEID: APOKOLIPS NOW: Superman and Darkseid’s fight tears apart the planetoid they’re fighting on. Yeah certainly comparable, I think more impressive since it’s a side-effect of their fight, not caused by them beating on the planet.
SUPERMAN(Volume2) #215: Superman and Zod’s fight destroys the planet they’re on…..while under a red sun. It’s unclear if it’s a side-effect of their fight, or they’re connected to the planet in a way that it’s taking the impact of their blows, but even if the planet’s directly taking the impact, it’s quite comparable since they’re both weakened by exerting under a red sun.
Oh that example from ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #649 where Kal-El and Kal-L fight above Earth-2 in orbit, destroy it as a side-effect, and the impressive feat in this is they “shatter the boundaries of space and time.” And there’s more examples that put Superman above Gladiator in strength.
Speed? Where has Gladiator’s speed shown to actually be 100 times lightspeed, in regards to combat and reflexes? Nowhere I’ve seen. And what proof has Thor taken a speed-blitz from Gladiator at those speeds? Fuck I’ve never even seen Gladiator speed-blitz Thor. The only time I’ve seen something that could be considered this is when Gladiator was still keeping pace with Thor despite a time-dilation slowing everything down, and Thor had tech that made him immune to it. But Gladiator was going at relatively normal speed to Thor, so it’s not like when Superman’s blitzed opponents.
Anyways Superman’s flight far exceeds Gladiator’s.
More than once he’s flown from Earth or the Moon to the Sun(SUPERMAN/BATMAN #13 and #46) which shows to be roughly 500 times lightspeed. He flew from Saturn to Earth in seconds in JLA #51, showing a speed of at least a little over 4,000 times lightspeed. In SUPERMAN(Volume2) #153 he flew from Saturn to the Sun and back in seconds, very well showing more than 10,000 times lightspeed. Then there’s a few other examples, like him traveling to other galaxies in seconds. So he’s crossing lightYEARS in seconds. Yes, Superman far out-does Gladiator in speed.
Not to mention Superman’s actually shown to go faster than light IN an atmosphere. On at least 8 occasions(9 if you count JLA/AVENGERS) he’s out-raced energy(ACTION COMICS #586, WAR OF THE GODS #4, SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL #66 which he was temporarily powered-down, SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL #116, SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL #122 I think, SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL #134, SUPERMAN VERSUS DARKSEID: APOKOLIPS NOW and JLA #77). Plus there’s an example of Superman effectively performing a speed-blitz against multiple energy attacks. He’s blocking/deflecting multiple radiation beams coming from multiple angles so quickly it’s like he’s doing it all simultaneously. That’s effectively a speed-blitz, at faster-than-lightspeed. So what has Gladiator done in combat that compares? The only example I could see is matching Thor’s speed despite the time dilation slowing him down, but not Thor. But a weaker(and thus slower) Superman has also used his speed to match a time dilation, both in and out of continuity. So Thor having “seen” Gladiator and responding means jack and shit since there’s no examples of Gladiator being nearly as fast as Superman in combat speed, or even on Earth(he’s supposed to only reach his 100 times lightspeed flight while in space, and going through hyperspace). Whereas Superman has out-raced energy on multiple occasions and shown faster-than-light combat speed capability with that speed-blitz style of blocking/deflecting multiple radiation(or light) beams coming from multiple directions so fast it was like he was doing it all at the same time. Also makes a joke out of Thor’s swinging Mjolnir at 3 times lightspeed(I thought it was TWICE lightspeed, you’re the only one to say 3 times) example by comparison, even if it’s not the limit(which you’re also the only one to have said. I don’t believe anyone else said 2 times WAS the limit, but never acted like there was evidence to show he can do this faster).
Gladiator’s survived supernovas? Guess what? So has Superman. And Superman took the entirety of a supernova, unlike Gladiator, from much closer distance than Gladiator. In ACTION COMICS #867. And sure, he was knocked-out, but like I said, he took it’s entirety, and from a much closer distance. Gladiator only took part of it and was further away, and I’d say it’s unlikely a writer would portray him repeating that feat he did. Superman’s also taken worse. Even before his fight with Doomsday, he survived the destruction of a Sun-Eater, while in the CORE, and that’s a fuck of a lot more powerful than a supernova considering a Sun-Eater’s nature. The force of it actually sent him millions of years into the past. ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #477. Then in ACTION COMICS #784 Superman flat-out walks through a maximum-intensity blast from the Joker-possessed Kyle Rayner GL trying to kill him(Superman). The same Kyle who was able to contain a supernova, even if only temporarily. And these are mostly feats under a weaker than current Superman. We also have the time in ACTION COMICS #847 where Superman is weakened by exerting himself flying faster-than-light an unknown(but lightyears apparently) distance and being hit by multiple energy blasts, containing red solar energy, from a Sun-Eater, then enduring part of an explosion stated to be equal to 50 times that of a supernova. And yeah, he only endures part of it. Still likely much worse than what Gladiator endured, and while weakened no less.
Then we have numerous other examples like Superman shrugging-off energy blasts from Skyfather-level opponents, enduring an energy blast from Imperiex Prime and surviving, multiple examples of taking beatings from Pre-CRISIS-level Kryptonians(or even Pre-CRISIS in Superboy Prime and Kal-L’s cases) and being rather ok(including while under the influence of a red sun exerting himself AND around literally a planet’s worth of Kyrptonite) and being in black holes and wormholes. So yeah, why again is Gladiator more durable than Superman? Or stronger? Or faster?
And I’ve actually read a reference that Gladiator is indeed weak against magick. But even if that weren’t the case, so fucking what? If Superman’s alleged weakness to magick was such a big factor like you’re making it out to be, why hasn’t he been beaten to a pulp in his fights with Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Etrigan or Black Adam? The reason those guys hurt Superman is because they hit hard enough to hurt Superman, not because of some magick weakness, unless you use cases like Captain Marvel amping his punches with mystical energy, but that’s a lot different than JUST being punched. Superman’s fights with these beings has shown no noticeable disadvantage due to magick compared to Superman fighting Lobo, Martian Manhunter, Mongul or others.
And I’ve seen at least one example of Gladiator beating Thor(though it wasn’t the main-stream Gladiator) and more than one example of Gladiator giving Thor a good fight, not getting owned, so yeah you’re wrong here too.
And Hyperion? Are you kidding? He’s not even as powerful as Gladiator, who’s in all reality a fair deal, or even much weaker, than Superman. It’s a joke to use the Thor/Hyperion fights as examples for Thor against Superman. And I heard Hyperion beat ULTIMATE Thor, and sure that version’s weaker, but also hurts the Hyperion’s lost every time argument. Not that it holds water anyways considering how much Superman is above Hyperion.
And Superman’s got the strength and durability advantage over Thor, as well. As for the speed advantage isn’t enough? Ask Hermes? I assume you mean some encounter Thor’s had with the Marvel Hermes. And while this doesn’t mean that Marvel Hermes and DC Hermes will be exactly alike, it’s worth looking comparing the two.
Wonder Woman has the “Speed Of Hermes” and has been implied to be faster than him(“More impressive” I believe was used, which could refer to skill or over-all power, but this does imply she could be faster). Captain Marvel has the Speed Of Mercury, shown to be the same as Hermes, but increased by The Power Of Zeus. With exceptions like Captain Marvel specifically using The Power Of Zeus solely to enhance The Speed Of Mercury, Superman has consistently shown to be faster than both of them in pure speed. Hell, there was even an issue where he used his speed to keep-up with CM3(formally known as “Captain Marvel Jr”) who, while power-sharing, was only sharing with Marry, so only halved, and because of the circumstances The Speed Of Mercury was actually hyper-charged so he was shown to be faster than even if he wasn’t power-sharing, and was unable to control himself to a fair degree. He was worse than Impulse during that time, and Superman had to think of bringing him to the upper-atmosphere, having the thin air slow him down so he could think instead of acting like a Speed Force user with ADD.
So yeah, your arguments suck. Not even trying to be witty here.
Superman was able to keep up with Wally West something most people won’t be able to achieve. Of course, it wasn’t the Speed Force user Wally West but it is still a good feat.
Gladiator is a more powerful version of Superman. He can punch through planets with ease. Survive supernovas. Travel at 100x light speed. Thor has taken speed blitzes from him. Thor has also over-powered him. (Gladiator isn’t weak to magic either…HUGE advantage when fighting Thor). Thor can “See” him moving and responds. He can swing his hammer 3x light speed (not an upper limit). Thor has owned Gladiator every time they fought.
Same with another Superman clone…Hyperion.
Superman’s one advantage…speed…isn’t enough here. (ask Hermes, the god of speed).
You are so funny, it’s not even fun!
First, Superman is stronger then Gladiator. Moving Jupiter is a proof. Second, Superman pulverized the Shadow Moon. Third, Superman survived and wasn’t even hurt after being hit by an explosion bigger then 1 million Nuclear Bomb. He survived and he wasn’t hurt after being hit by a sun going nova. Fourth, Superman was able to travel 125 million times faster then Light speed. Superman’s heat vision is way more powerful the the Sun and he was able to get enought energy to project the power of one million sun throught it.
Thor is an Earth buster. Superman can be counter as a Jupiter Buster. Heat vision isn’t useless kid. Read your comics. Energy drain? Are you kidding? Even if Thor wanted to, Superman would get his energy instantly back. Supergirl is stronger then Thor tard, same goes for Captain Marvel and Martian Manhunter.
Stop crying and find something good for once. You just fail once again fanboy.
Better luck next time.
I have to disagree with you on Martian Manhunter being stronger than Thor. Thor has shown a strength advantage over Wonder Woman(though not by a lot to me) and Wonder Woman has shown to be stronger than Martian Manhunter, at least in regards to lifting feats(in terms of comparative strength in combat, so far they’ve generally shown to be about equal compared to opponents they’ve fought, but since Wonder Woman has the more impressive lifting feats, I give her the strength advantage). So I’d say Thor would have at least a bit more than a slight strength advantage over Martian Manhunter(assuming he doesn’t use density manipulation and absorbing mass to further increase his strength, which is something he rarely does and is almost unknown generally).
Haven’t seen enough of the current Kara-Supergirl after they stopped with the whole making it seem she’s stronger than Superman thing to see where she ranks compared to Thor. Though she seemed to be about equal to Power Girl who’s stronger than Wonder Woman, so Power Girl is probably at least about as strong as Thor, but this isn’t set in stone in my mind.
Shadowhunter and Rich: I have to agree with Shadowhunter….Supermans feats far exceed Gladiators and far exceed Hyperion. Its actually embarrassing that you compared the 2. Thor vs Superman is debatable because Thor has magic. But Superman can resist Thors magic he has done it against other extremely powerful foes whos powers far exceed those of Thors.
I think the Problem is Marvel comic readers dont read DC comics. Which if you prefer there brand I understand but I personally read both. Superman on the cartoon show or Smallville…or even the movies. Havent come close to showing Supermans feat levels.
The only closest 1 I have seen was Superman the movie 1 when he turned back time. Superman has a base level of power…yes. But that is already soo high it matches most of Marvels heavy hitters. Like Thor in his warrior Madness mode or Classic Thors power. Which is different than Thors current level of feat has been.
Now considering in a vs both characters are at there top physical shape and doing there best…..and would do anything to win. Superman should take this….if he needed too he could just absorb more power from the sun and take Thor out very quickly.
Superman could reach SBP levels if needed. Infact…Superman has got soo powerful over the years….he has had his energy drained by parasite so he doesnt become to powerful. Superman has depowered himself many times.
Superman has done feats he doesnt normally do before….heat vision, speed, flight, strength…are not his only powers. Dont forget the source of his power…he can also absorb energy. SBP absorbed a guardens energy….Superman has absorbed from heat underground….he can absorb energy straight from a person. All Superman would need to do is Super charge if he was having trouble….Thor will fall. I cant see Thor besting Superman. Superman should win atleast 6 out of 10 against Thor.
Another thing….during Thor vs Superman if there is a yellow sun around…Superman will heal from his injuries….instantly! And it also restores his powers. So has the fight drags on Superman will already have a super high powerlevel to wear down but he will be getting his reserves back and healing in battle!
Thor will get tired and his injurys will take a toll on him…sooner or later he will be just alittle bit slower or he will lose his hammer the source of his power somewhere along the line. Once Thor loses that hammer Superman is all over him at light speed doing planet crushing punches. Thor will not be able to hang with Superman without that hammer…and there lies Supermans victory. Thor has just too much going against him here.
Strength: Superman
Speed: Superman
Durability: Superman…only because he heals though sunlight.
Fighting ability: This goes to Thor….but Superman is no newbee. He is a skilled fighter. He has taken on 4 kryptonians and 1 Zod. He was also trained by batman and wonder woman. So he can hold his own.
Magic: Thor wins. Superman has no magic powers….and he has a special weakness to magic…although he is not entirely weak to it…Some ppl think Thor hitting Superman with his hammer would be like hitting a human with a hammer…this is not true. Superman will still have resistance he just wont be invulnerable to its affects. Magic disrupts Supermans invulnerable force field….Superman otherwise is still very durable. This is why the Force of Captain Marvels punches dont kill Superman. Or Shaazams lighting strikes dont kill Superman.
Intellect: Superman wins this 1. Most ppl dont know this but Superman is a genius. He has shown intelligence on a very high scale…even outwitting more powerful beings like mxypitlic. ect ect. Superman is very well known for out smarting ppl in battle.
Thor well….he is not a dummy but is not a genius all around..he is a bright fighter tho. Superman could use anything to his advantage….figure out any situation he is in and figure the best choice for that situtation.
Both characters can absorb power. Superman has absorb the mageddon bomb. I dont see how Supermans power is being denied here but somehow it is? I am figuring wizard likes Marvel better. But thats ok. I will see Thor is equal with Superman in strength only when he proofs it too me. Which I havent seen him do yet. No offense but I am calling it like I see it.
Wow John you certainly know your stuff, and I agree with what youve said as well.
Not to be prudish but if you break up your paragraphs a little better you shall be a great new addition to the posters here.
On a few points Alberto was bringing up…..
On the Superman breathing in space thing, we see as he becomes more powerful, breathing has become less of a problem. The SUPERMAN #677 example I believe was from an issue that was telling a story that took place in the past, not the current time the issue was published. If it’s what I’m thinking of, it was supposed to be Superman’s first time encountering Solomon Grundy. Also, even when Superman’s been shown not to need an oxygen mask to go through space, he typically has when when traveling with a companion(unless Martian Manhunter’s being used as a telepathic switchboard) so they can still communicate, as they still need the air for sound to travel(most of the time). The whole Mongul training thing, Mongul had been training Superman to need less oxygen so he could travel deeper into space, I don’t believe he was actually training Superman to BREATH in space(could’ve been a mistake by the writer in your scan, or just how they had Mongul word what he did). There’s been plenty of examples where he’s traveled/fought in space without anyone with him(or where communication wasn’t important) and him gone for long periods of time without an oxygen mask or anything of the like. I don’t know though if they’ve currently made it so Superman doesn’t need to breath, but it very well could be the case. Even when Superman needed oxygen masks at some point, there’s been implications that his need to breath had been psychological limitations due to his upbringing. It’s already been established he doesn’t have a PHYSICAL need to eat, or sleep(though has been said he has psychological needs for this), as long as he has yellow solar energy.
On the 4D energy example, I would have to say yes it does count. You eventually brought-up stuff in the scans that made you question your questioning of the feat and also brought-up the ROCK OF AGES storyline. In that, Azteka(the chick who got Aztek’s mantel) had not only destroyed Darkseid’s zombie factory on the Moon, but the explosion was so large that it could been seen on the Moon from Earth. At the least it could be as a nuke-equivalent explosion from unconventional energy. At best the energy effected Mageddon more than it did Superman, but it obviously did some serious damage, both in the example of Superman enduring it, and the Azteka example during ROCK OF AGES. It also showed to vaporize normal humans, so obviously it did not effect ONLY Mageddon.
And to Fury, actually Martian Manhunter is not there. Him being hurt is because he’s using telepathy to give Batman a telepathic link to Superman(they’re not even in the same place) and the mental backlash hurts MM. Of course he was also dealing with filtering out all the anguish and despair going on with Superman due to Mageddon’s influence, from Batman, so he was handling a lot before the explosion.
As to taking the Shazam bolts, yeah, there’s little to indicate that it protected Superman from it’s effects. At best it lessened any “extra” effect it’d have on Superman due to being magick, but I’ve never seen or heard of Eclipso causing this. He did enhance normal humans, but there seemed to be little indication that superhumans were enhanced. And Shazam is incredibly powerful anyways. And like Fury mentioned, Superman has other comparable, even superior, feats of taking mystical energy blasts, without being possessed by a mystical force.
Another thing I hope someone actually responds to and shows examples of. Thor’s skill.
In all reality, I’ve seen Superman to be the more skilled fighter. Yes, on paper Thor obliterates Superman in this department. But where the FUCK has he actually SHOWN skill? All the examples people bring-up show little or they don’t have scans, or even adequate explanations, to show why the examples are supposed to show Thor as skilled.
On paper immortal warrior-type guys like Thor, Hercules and Gilgamesh should be the most skilled fighters around, but in practice you pretty much see Batman, Captain America and Iron Fist making them look like amatures when it comes to skill in hand-to-hand combat. Wonder Woman and Orion are the only two who are these amazing immortal warrior-type fighters on paper that have actually shown at least a fair degree of what they should be in practice, and even then it isn’t consistent.
Superman has shown much more skill when it comes to hand-to-hand combat than I’ve ever seen Thor do. On multiple occasions he’s actually shown technique and combinations in his striking. Then we have a few examples of him holding his own using Martial Arts against both groups of opponents and skilled Martial Artists, while depowered. On multiple occasions he’s also used pressure-point attacks to paralyze opponents. Then we have examples of him fighting people like Wonder Woman, Orion and Black Adam and winning or drawing who are at the least as skillful on paper as Thor or Hercules, and in the cases of Wonder Woman and Orion have actually shown this skill. As well as examples of him using skill/experience to overcome or match stronger opponents(like against Pocketverse Superboy, or against Mongul when Superman was deprived of yellow solar energy for a while and Mongul’s also supposed to be pretty skilled himself). Winning or drawing against stronger opponents is really the only example of skill I’ve ever seen of Thor, that I could even consider to be skill, and no other examples people bring up has either held water, or been explained well enough to show it’s actually skill instead of a claim of skill.
Oh forgot, Superman’s also shown technique in grappling, at least in regards to Judo/Aikido-style throwing(never seen him say armbar an opponent, good thing for Silver Surfer).
I’ve seen Thor maybe do a little wrestling-style clinching and I think once grappled a little on the ground, but the out-come didn’t really show either as skilled. And showed no real technique. Hercules has actually demonstrated some wrestling technique on occasion, but not enough, nor good enough, for me to think he’s the great warrior he’s supposed to be skill-wise.
It’s just really funny that when people argue for Thor, some try to act like Superman has no skill and say all Superman does is punch, punch, punch, and yet they ignore the fact that in 90% of Thor’s fights, almost all he does is punch and hammer swing, little more variety in striking than what the Superman haters try to make Supes out to be. Like I said, I’ve actually seen Superman display technique in striking/grappling, as well feats of skill against skilled Martial Artists or multiple opponents while depowered. And I seem to notice people making a big deal out of Batman and Daredevil using nerve strikes/pressure points as displays of skill, which I’ve seen Superman do multiple times.
So yeah, bring-on the relevant feats of skill for Thor.
Are you guys serious? Let’s take superman and Thor at their best.
Superman can what? Tow planets, punch through planets, fly fast, etc.
Tell me. Can superman kill with his mind?
Can he? Thor at his best using the Odin force can kill every living bring in the galaxy with a mere thought.
A mere thought. Everything dead.
Do you SERIOUSLY THINK that superman can beat someone that could will him out of existence?
You’re not even taking Superman at his best, you’d go Superman Prime. Which is above King Thor.
But tell me, can Thor deal with someone going faster than light? No, he could barely deal with fucking Mongoose. So what the fuck does it matter if Thor even possessed the full Odin-Force if Superman just out-right blitzes him? Thor ain’t handling that.